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465 points susanthenerd | 3 comments | 26 Aug 25 15:12 UTC | HN request time: 0.018s | source
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nrp ◴[26 Aug 25 15:35 UTC] No.45028012[source]▶
I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
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Deuter8 ◴[26 Aug 25 15:39 UTC] No.45028056[source]▶
I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops.

Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option?

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iknowstuff ◴[26 Aug 25 15:49 UTC] No.45028200[source]▶
I’ve never missed having buttons on the macbook trackpad lol

How are they slower/impossible?

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jayd16 ◴[26 Aug 25 15:55 UTC] No.45028289[source]▶
I assume some gestures are simply not possible. Like click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously. Not every app handles gutter-hover-to-scroll in a usable way. On a mouse or a pad with buttons, you can keep the left click held down and scroll with the wheel or gesture. Uni-pads make this impossible.
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panzerboiler ◴[26 Aug 25 16:11 UTC] No.45028533[source]▶
You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.
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ezst ◴[26 Aug 25 17:24 UTC] No.45029612[source]▶
How does that work? You've got to tap the touchpad to trigger the initial click, don't you? For some reason, I really HATE tapping a touchpad (let that be an Apple or otherwise), it breaks my flow, I suppose? (like, you have to pause at the cursor's location, lift, tap twice to initiate a dragging event, then finally move on) whereas on the ThinkPad I daily drive I do all the cursor movement/scrolling with my right hand and the selection/clicking with my left thumb on the physical key that sits on the top of the touchpad sensitive area. That makes click&drag workflows super efficient, I find.
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panzerboiler ◴[26 Aug 25 17:44 UTC] No.45029863{3}[source]▶
You click and drag with one finger and you are free to scroll with two other fingers during the drag. It is a multitouch gesture. (I don't use "tap to click" since I always found it cumbersome)
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1. ezst ◴[26 Aug 25 18:14 UTC] No.45030229{4}[source]▶
Just for me to understand, you navigate to that thing you want to drag, then press harder (without the double-tap+move in short sequence, do there's that), and that registers a drag event?

Could you do the "press harder" part with, e.g. a thumb in an other region of the touchpad instead of the finger that did the navigation?

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2. panzerboiler ◴[26 Aug 25 18:37 UTC] No.45030500[source]▶
Yes, you can. As long as one finger is "pressing hard-ish" a second finger can command the drag position, but if the finger that is pressing (you do not need to press very hard to trigger a click) is not the one that is also moving, then you will have issues when also scrolling with two other fingers, because at that point you have 4 fingers touching the trackpad, and by default you get anoter gesture registered (probably a zoom out to see all the windows in the workspace, called "expose"). If the fingers touching the trackpad are "only" three, you can drag and scroll, with the window that receives the scroll being the one under the pointer/item being dragged.
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3. ezst ◴[26 Aug 25 21:34 UTC] No.45032594[source]▶
Thanks for clarifying, it seems analogous to having a physical mouse button, then (except that the haptic feedback is simulated, which strangely isn't off-putting to most, I've personally always felt the sensation uncanny)