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LorenPechtel ◴[] No.45029568[source]
Only 17%??

Last time I was job hunting I found that 80%+ of postings were either dupes or bogus. Very vague description of the job? I'm going to keep seeing it for a long time, clearly they are not actually filling the role. Very specific, odd set of requirements, they're going through the motions but they've already picked the person and the ad is designed to match only that person.

I think they're going about this backwards. Leave the ad up, but they are required to amend it with external hire/internal hire/H-1B when the position is filled. Let people see what has happened in the past. And all jobs must be associated with some entity and indicate how long that entity has existed.

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nickff ◴[] No.45029638[source]
Those 'one specific person' ads are usually there to comply with an internal requirement or external regulation/law, so they wouldn't be able to say that it was filled, because that would be an admission that the whole process was a sham.
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LorenPechtel ◴[] No.45029688[source]
It would be filled, they would be required to say so. Yes, it's going to look bad, that's the point.
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nickff ◴[] No.45029732[source]
The requirement which is driving the posting is a requirement that they search for candidates other than the one specific person they have in mind. If they post it with 'already filled' in the posting, they would not be complying with the requirement. The requirement is usually driven by a law or some policy created outside the hiring process for that position, so the hiring manager(s) are not permitted to do what you suggest.
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1. a_cardboard_box ◴[] No.45029974{3}[source]
You seem to misunderstand the proposal. The proposal is that after they have done everything that is already legally required (advertise an open position for some amount of time etc), then they must amend the posting to include that the position is filled by an internal/external/H-1B hire. There is still a period of time when the position is advertised as open.
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2. alistairSH ◴[] No.45030637[source]
Which is still "broken" since the position was never really open in the first place - it's still a ghost listing, as the position was always going to an internal hire or H1b or whatever.
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3. azemetre ◴[] No.45031014[source]
I use to work for a company that got around this by posting the job ad physically outside our offices doors. We were 5 stories in a WeWork space. Probably illegal but I doubt the company cared.
4. jacobgkau ◴[] No.45031202[source]
Yes, but requiring the post-fill disclosure will at least make data available to work the problem further.
5. LorenPechtel ◴[] No.45043934[source]
The point was not to solve it, but to expose it.