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465 points susanthenerd | 5 comments | 26 Aug 25 15:12 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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nrp ◴[26 Aug 25 15:35 UTC] No.45028012[source]▶
I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
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Deuter8 ◴[26 Aug 25 15:39 UTC] No.45028056[source]▶
I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops.

Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option?

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criddell ◴[26 Aug 25 15:43 UTC] No.45028121[source]▶
What workflows are impossible with a trackpad but possible with a mouse?
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diggan ◴[26 Aug 25 15:53 UTC] No.45028260[source]▶
With the trackpads that have built-in clicks in the pad itself, I've always found it really difficult to drag-and-drop stuff if it has to be pulled longer than a few pixels. Just moving and pressing against a surface seems to not be a super accurate movement in general.
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1. sorrythanks ◴[26 Aug 25 15:55 UTC] No.45028294[source]▶
Have you tried holding with one finger and aiming with the other?
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2. diggan ◴[26 Aug 25 15:59 UTC] No.45028355[source]▶
I don't think I have, long time ago I had to use a laptop myself, just remember that being difficult last time I had to do it together with someone else. Probably depends on the software/hardware itself also, how well something like that would work.
3. Deuter8 ◴[26 Aug 25 16:05 UTC] No.45028429[source]▶
Have you? The precision vs a touchpad with buttons isn't even close. It may well be a driver issue in Linux, all I know for sure is that it's an issue that does not exist with touchpads and that I have already spent far too much of my life fiddling with settings trying to get it to behave.
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4. sorrythanks ◴[26 Aug 25 23:07 UTC] No.45033434[source]▶
I have, yes! I do it a lot when dragging and dropping on Linux. Start the drag with one finger, and then bring a new finger in to move it. It's just like using a button.

I've not had to configure anything to make this work for a number of years now in Plasma. Though I've been running Linux on Macbooks for a long time, so maybe it's about specific hardware support.

5. pmontra ◴[27 Aug 25 02:30 UTC] No.45034831[source]▶
I never had problems with precision on HP high end models, Windows XP up to 2008 and several Ubuntu versions since then to 2022, then Debian.

I own an nc8430 and a ZBook 15 first generation. I use the lower row of three mouse buttons as left, middle and right click. Those touchpads don't move and don't bend. I disabled tap to click as buttons are much better and never move accidentally the pointer by design. Palm detection works very well, basically no issues. I use two finger scroll and pan. Several gestures work but I don't really like them. I disabled everything. I rather use keyboard shortcuts. I defined some of my own especially to navigate among virtual desktops.

There is still one ZBook Fury model with buttons, every other model lost them.