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1. socalgal2 ◴[] No.45020413[source]
Aren't many apartment buildings all coming from just a few IP addresses?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

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2. TZubiri ◴[] No.45020446[source]
Yes, and this makes ip banning have false positives.

But ultimately it's worth it, you are responsible for your neighbours.

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3. simoncion ◴[] No.45020796[source]
> [Y]ou are responsible for [how] your neighbours [use the Internet].

Nope.

I'm very much not responsible for snooping on my neighbor's private communications. If anyone is responsible for doing any sort of abuse monitoring, it is the ISP chosen by my neighbor.

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4. TZubiri ◴[] No.45022941{3}[source]
This is not a normative social prescription, but a descriptive natural phenomenon.

If there's a neighbour in your building who is running a bitcoin farm on your residential building, it's going to cause issues for you. If people from your country commit crime in other countries and violate visas, then you are going to face a quota due to them. If you bank at ACME Bank, and then it turns out they were arms traffickers, your funds were pooled and helped launder their money, you are responsible by association .

Reputation is not only individual, but there is group reputation, regardless of whether you like it or not.

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5. Avamander ◴[] No.45025342{3}[source]
If your CGNAT IP gets blocked then you are responsible for not complaining to your ISP that they're still doing CGNAT and that someone is being abusive within their network.
6. simoncion ◴[] No.45034928{4}[source]
> If there's a neighbour...

What ass-backwards jurisdiction do you live in where any of the things you mention in this paragraph are true, let alone the notion that uninvolved bystanders would be responsible for the behavior of others?

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7. TZubiri ◴[] No.45046171{5}[source]
> If there's a neighbour in your building who is running a bitcoin farm on your residential building, it's going to cause issues for you.

Natural phenomenon, not legal, your power block will go down.

>If people from your country commit crime in other countries and violate visas, then you are going to face a quota due to them.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/rest...

Visa overstays are tracked and they may affect policy decisions on inmigration. Common in many countries not just the US.

>If you bank at ACME Bank, and then it turns out they were arms traffickers, your funds were pooled and helped launder their money, you are responsible by association .

I don't know if you've ever done international banking of any significant amount, but try receiving money from a Seychelle's account or something like that. In whatever jurisdiction you open an account in, you will share the reputation of that jurisdiction.

I'll add another one, spam in emails is combatted not only on a domain and IP reputation basis, but ip blocks or even ASN's can be marked for spam. And another one, opening a company in a jurisdiction might buy you the reputation of said jurisdiction.

Reputation is not only individual but group-based, this is because identities can be forged by an identity-provider, be it a passport-issuing country, an ASN, a Bank, a DoS company registry, etc..

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8. simoncion ◴[] No.45071626{6}[source]
> [Y]our power block will go down.

So, it is my responsibility to prevent my neighbors from buying a high-end gaming PC for every member of their family, an induction stove, central A/C, and an electric car because my local power company might not be able to provide the contracted service. Right. The rest of your examples are just as poor as this one.

You seem to have confused "being responsible for" and "being affected by". I am affected by the effects that the geography of the region I live in has on the local weather. I am not responsible for that geography.