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torginus ◴[] No.45011561[source]
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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pjc50 ◴[] No.45011799[source]
The UK has never been a free speech state. Remember the extremely weird era when Gerry Adams MP could not be heard on TV and had to have his voice dubbed?
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moomin ◴[] No.45012648[source]
IIRC, Gerry Adams was always performed by Stephen Rea, a moderately successful actor and heart-throb in certain circles. Adams said that SR “did me better than I do”.
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dndvr ◴[] No.45013176[source]
Can't have the populace heating the voice of the guy who was never proven to be a member of the ra, better they listen to the sexy husband of convicted provo bomber Dolours Price instead.

Dolours being the sister of Marian Price who is currently suiting Disney over being depicted shooting Jean McConville in the back of the head in Say Nothing.

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pgalvin ◴[] No.45013741{3}[source]
For what it’s worth, despite the legal situation, it is virtually unanimously accepted by historians, journalists, academics, and the wider Irish and British public, that Gerry Adams was a member of the IRA. Nobody seriously disputes this.
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1. moomin ◴[] No.45018249{4}[source]
I mean, I have no opinion on this, but I know that if someone asks me “Are you a member of an organisation it’s a criminal offence to be a member of?” I’m gonna say no.