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GeekyBear ◴[] No.45008439[source]
Didn't we already cross this particular Rubicon during the auto bailout a decade ago?

Other examples:

> Since the 1950s, the federal government has stepped in as a backstop for railroads, farm credit, airlines (twice), automotive companies, savings and loan companies, banks, and farmers.

Every situation has its own idiosyncrasies, but in each, the federal government intervened to stabilize a critical industry, avoiding systemic collapse that surely would have left the average taxpayer much worse off. In some instances, the treasury guaranteed loans, meaning that creditors would not suffer if the relevant industry could not generate sufficient revenue to pay back the loans, leading to less onerous interest rates.

A second option was that the government would provide loans at relatively low interest rates to ensure that industries remained solvent.

In a third option, the United States Treasury would take an ownership stake in some of these companies in what amounts to an “at-the-market” offering, in which the companies involved issue more shares at their current market price to the government in exchange for cash to continue business operations.

https://chicagopolicyreview.org/2022/08/23/piece-of-the-acti...

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JKCalhoun ◴[] No.45008710[source]
What happened to Intel? Did they need a bailout?
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llm_nerd ◴[] No.45012781[source]
That's where the comparison with the auto bailout in the wake of the financial crash falls apart.

Intel got no bailout. The government demanded 10% of the company for financial grants that Intel already received, largely under the Biden administration, under vehicles like the CHIPS act (you know -- the massively successful policy that is the actual reason that a bunch of latest tech chip plants are being built in the US). It's an absolutely bizarre situation, and the only reason Intel would even go along with it is that this administration operates like an extortion racket and would somehow cripple the company otherwise.

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neuronexmachina ◴[] No.45014878[source]
Is this even legal? As far as I can tell, there's no provision in the CHIPS Act allowing grant funds to be used to buy equity.
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1. Tostino ◴[] No.45017726[source]
Very little this admin does is legal. You need the justice system to actually work for that to matter though.

So in effect, unless the next administration runs on punishing these abuses and actually follows through, may as well be legal.