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CalRobert ◴[] No.45016817[source]
You can still send letters- this is a big deal but it’s not -quite- as bad as I first thought since my ballot is mailed in from abroad…
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jleyank ◴[] No.45016853[source]
Remember, he’s ending mail-in ballots…
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1. westernmostcoy ◴[] No.45016901[source]
That's not within his power to do.
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2. actionfromafar ◴[] No.45016916[source]
Neither was tariffs
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3. jcotton42 ◴[] No.45016922[source]
Trump has tried to do plenty of things that aren't within his power, like ending birthright citizenship by executive order.
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4. throw0101a ◴[] No.45016988[source]
> That's not within his power to do.

Trump has the power to do anything that people (especially Congress) does not push back against.

> 1. Do not obey in advance.

> Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.

* https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Tyranny

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6. add-sub-mul-div ◴[] No.45017073[source]
Has he "ended" it? Does he have the discipline, intelligence, and patience to do the work to end things legislatively or just make executive orders that will be tied up in courts for years and rescinded as soon he's out of office?
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7. _aavaa_ ◴[] No.45017076[source]
Neither was starting “military actions” in the past. Laws need to be enforced to have any power.
8. gruez ◴[] No.45017103[source]
>Trump has the power to do anything that people (especially Congress) does not push back against.

Elections are run at the state level, so it's not like Trump can direct state agencies to stop counting mail-in ballots. That said, the fact that elections are run at the state level, and the fact that only a handful of swing states matter means it only takes a few pliant election officials to change the outcome of the election. eg. if Georgia's governor caved in 2020.

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9. lawlessone ◴[] No.45017111{3}[source]
>and rescinded as soon he's out of office

If

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10. imglorp ◴[] No.45017125[source]
It's his standard procedure over and over again; works great for him.

Talk it up. If it keeps him in the headlines, great.

Throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. If he gets sued, fine, there's a decade of suits piled up in the queue, no problem. If there's an injunction, maybe ignore it and try anyway (queue full). If he's truly blocked, it's the commie judges and he'll make that better soon. OTOH if he gets away with that, more outrage and more PR for him, success.

Early stage fascism thrives on outrage fatigue to slim opposition. Do three more outrages today. Repeat tomorrow.

11. ModernMech ◴[] No.45017146[source]
It is if you live in a state controlled by a GOP governor and legislature. Trump also doesn't have the power to gerrymander Texas, yet he commanded it, and then it happened. Which means he actually does have the power.
12. dangus ◴[] No.45017161[source]
Not really true. In this case he doesn’t have the power to do it because the federal government doesn’t operate elections. He has no lever to pull.

At most he can convince some friendly state legislatures to ban mail-in voting, but even that may not be an automatic process (e.g., maybe some states have requirements to change the constitutional or put the item up on a ballot measure).

Every Trump policy to this point has involved some kind of lever that the executive branch has had power over: tariffs, national guard deployments, and even in the case of ICE enforcement, Trump had to go to Congress to appropriate additional funding to make that viable long-term.

As an aside, I’m not personally too worried about the mail in voting as a hot button issue. I don’t think Republicans will touch it significantly because they need turnout, too, and they need it from key demographics that use absentee ballots like older voters and military members.

Some research seems to show that mail-in voting doesn’t really benefit a specific party.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-election-mail-in-voting-biden-trump...

13. dangus ◴[] No.45017174[source]
Untrue, Congress gave that power over to the executive branch.
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14. wasabi991011 ◴[] No.45017178[source]
Neither is ending birthright citizenship, dismantling USAID, closing the department of education, firing the heads of the National Labor Relations Board and Merit Systems Protection Board (independent federal agencies) without cause, impounding funds appropriated by Congress, etc.

Nevertheless, Trump has started process for all of those, and has been successful at many due to the slowness of the courts.

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15. jleyank ◴[] No.45017181[source]
He wasn’t allowed to end the r&d system in the us, but nobody stopped him. He wasn’t allowed to create export tariffs, go nuts with import tariffs, rip up senate passed treaties, …. As others have said, somebody has to stop the process and to date it’s not been stopped.
16. jleyank ◴[] No.45017267[source]
Also, the ultimate court seems to favour his actions. Hell of a backup plan.
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18. throw0101a ◴[] No.45017505{3}[source]
> Elections are run at the state level, so it's not like Trump can direct state agencies to stop counting mail-in ballots.

Trump asked Texas to redistrict that they were all for it.

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19. ActorNightly ◴[] No.45017511{3}[source]
He has codified massive funding to ICE in the BBB, which he has direct control over.

So he can order people to be detained and deported, knowing that the legal system can't handle the appeals of that many people.

Furthermore, the only way he will leave office is if his disease gets bad enough to where he can't function. And then the assumption is that the crazies he has hired aren't going to basically take over the government completely. If he is able to function in 2026 and 2028, US won't have real elections.

20. gruez ◴[] No.45017637{4}[source]
That's mentioned in the second part of my comment:

>it only takes a few pliant election officials to change the outcome of the election. eg. if Georgia's governor caved in 2020.

21. tines ◴[] No.45017692{3}[source]
By what legislation?
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22. apricot ◴[] No.45018076[source]
> That's not within his power to do.

What rock have you been living under for the past eight months?

23. mikestew ◴[] No.45018329{4}[source]
Wrong question, it was by inaction and not doing their jobs.
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24. tines ◴[] No.45018388{5}[source]
That's my point, they didn't give the power to the presidency. The presidency is arrogating power to itself without regard for legality.
25. dangus ◴[] No.45032818{4}[source]
19 U.S.C. § 1862, 19 U.S.C. §§ 2251–55, 19 U.S.C. §§ 2411–20, 19 U.S.C. § 2132, 19 U.S.C. § 1338, and 50 U.S.C. §§ 1701–10

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48435