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coldpie ◴[] No.45015453[source]
Good start. Next, put the people running these scam phone providers in jail.
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1. paxys ◴[] No.45015878[source]
I'm going to go ahead and say none of them are in the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
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2. coldpie ◴[] No.45015918[source]
No one outside the jurisdiction of my country's laws should be able to make my phone ring or send me text messages without my permission.
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3. more_corn ◴[] No.45016055[source]
You got my vote
4. infamouscow ◴[] No.45016072[source]
Being outside of US legal jurisdiction is exactly why they ought to be thrown into a wood chipper.

I don't understand why this doesn't happen EVERY DAY until the problem is resolved.

And before someone cite US code: it's virtually impossible for foreigners to seek justice in this context. Not only do these criminals lack the money, education, and access to legal representation to do so, but the DoJ has better things to do than spend their time looking into the veracity of an international claim of this kind.

5. AnimalMuppet ◴[] No.45016163[source]
At least without it showing up as an international number.
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6. schmidtleonard ◴[] No.45016280{3}[source]
No, labeling is not enough, options are not enough, unattested communication needs to go silently to spam by default. Anything else encourages the spam. "We let spammers ring your phone unless you tick an option 5 menus deep in your phone that gets automatically reset every 3 months at update time and moved every 2 years between names/locations that range from awful to insane" doesn't cut it.
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7. coldpie ◴[] No.45016382{4}[source]
The beautiful thing about default-deny for internationally-sourced calls is it fixes the spam problem for everyone, including those who opt-in. If 90% of the spammers' calls are just immediately dropped, they're no longer going to get enough hits to be worth the effort, so it also protects those who actually do have a legit reason to receive international calls.
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8. schmidtleonard ◴[] No.45016416{5}[source]
Yes, but we don't even have to go that far: international != unattested. Legitimate overseas telecoms should be able to sign their communications. The point isn't to seal off the USA, the point is to have someone to ban if they start abusing access.

Most international telecom operations aren't facilitating scam call centers, and of the ones who are I suspect very few are so eager to turn a blind eye that they will continue to do so when staring down the barrel of actual consequences.

9. like_any_other ◴[] No.45018425[source]
If a country dares have IP laws less restrictive than the US would like, the US finds plenty of levers to pull. But in this case, the matter is something that is illegal in the scammer's country also (clear fraud tends to be illegal everywhere), so there's probably more that US police could do than literally nothing.
10. FateOfNations ◴[] No.45019355[source]
All the companies have a direct connection to the phone network in the US. The FCC is cutting them off from the US phone network because they have failed to adopt robocall mitigation measures.