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361 points gloxkiqcza | 1 comments | 24 Aug 25 16:30 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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torginus ◴[25 Aug 25 08:26 UTC] No.45011561[source]▶
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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intalentive ◴[25 Aug 25 14:09 UTC] No.45014035[source]▶
A political establishment that builds a "total surveillance police state" is not going to allow itself to be displaced by "elections".
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FridayoLeary ◴[25 Aug 25 14:27 UTC] No.45014227[source]▶
It's the direction the state is taking, not the political establishment. Elections are fine because they won't change anything in the way the state is run. If you want proof look at Israel. The moment the right wing, which has been continuously elected into power for the last 20 years or so, and have a clear and undeniable mandate tried to bring the institutions more in line with the people they suddenly found themselves innundated with protests and outright rebellion. Democracy has its limits apparently. I hate to see the UK sliding in that direction.
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monkey_monkey ◴[25 Aug 25 14:55 UTC] No.45014557[source]▶
The revisionsism and one-eyed delusional rewriting of history is, almost, amusing.
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FridayoLeary ◴[25 Aug 25 16:15 UTC] No.45015463[source]▶
Yes of course. Netanyahu in a narcissistic and tyrannical move tried to seize control of the judicial system as part of his ongoing attempts to subvert democracy and justice. He's corrupt and if he's found guilty he'll go to prison so he's trying to control the process. But the brave protestors are speaking out and not allowing him and his far right government from destroying Israeli democracy and society. It's an old, tired narrative and most of the country can see through it which is why he keeps getting elected.
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andrepd ◴[25 Aug 25 16:30 UTC] No.45015639[source]▶
>Netanyahu in a narcissistic and tyrannical move tried to seize control of the judicial system as part of his ongoing attempts to subvert democracy and justice. He's corrupt and if he's found guilty he'll go to prison so he's trying to control the process. But the brave protestors are speaking out and not allowing him and his far right government from destroying Israeli democracy and society.

Well yes this, but unironically.

Of course, add commission of genocide to that list.

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1. FridayoLeary ◴[25 Aug 25 16:47 UTC] No.45015843[source]▶
It's genocide to defend your country these days. It's amazing how good pr and a concerted media campaign can shift a narrative so far that it's taken for granted, even by pro Israel people that they have to defend against charges of genocide. It's the sort of thing put out by people who want zero accountability and are looking to deflect blame (the UN, Qatar and every other Arab state who helped create this crisis). Yeah I know you're going to say that's netanyahu, but it's obviously not because he would deal in good faith with anyone who would reciprocate. On the very rare occasions that happens he does. He's so far honoured the ceasfires and politically he's offered many concessions to which are usually rejected, because most of the time people are dealing with him and his government in bad faith.