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torginus ◴[] No.45011561[source]
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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raincole ◴[] No.45012512[source]
> your political opponents

are on the same "side" with you. A country is not divided into two (or more) political sides. A country is divided into classes.

It was even how modern voting system originated. See: Estates-General, Prussian three-class franchise, etc.

See also: both parties of the US didn't release Epstein files.

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shazbotter ◴[] No.45013881[source]
The sooner Americans realize the democrats and the republicans aren't actually in opposition, the sooner we maybe get some parties who are.
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1. account42 ◴[] No.45015163[source]
Don't worry, the Democrats and Republicans will have those parties outlawed or otherwise neutralized before they become a threat.