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361 points gloxkiqcza | 3 comments | 24 Aug 25 16:30 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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torginus ◴[25 Aug 25 08:26 UTC] No.45011561[source]▶
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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specproc ◴[25 Aug 25 08:56 UTC] No.45011763[source]▶
The West aren't good guys and have never been the good guys. We talked a good talk about democracy when we had communism to compare it to, but without that to contrast with, we look increasingly like the managed democracies you see out East.
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baud147258 ◴[25 Aug 25 09:34 UTC] No.45011981[source]▶
While the West aren't really the good guy, I think there is an argument that could be made that the West is the better guy. Because while government outreach like those discussed are a scary possibility in the West nowadays, in the 'East' (more like Russia & China), it is a given and there are no recourse.
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buyucu ◴[25 Aug 25 09:55 UTC] No.45012128[source]▶
Anyone who thinks the West is the better guy needs to look closely at the Western-backed Genocide in Palestine.
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diordiderot ◴[25 Aug 25 10:23 UTC] No.45012305{3}[source]▶
Yeah, its amazing how good the isralies are at everything (tech, intelligence, manufacturing) but its taking them years to commit genocide. Despite their massive force advantage.
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1. specproc ◴[25 Aug 25 10:46 UTC] No.45012444{4}[source]▶
Genocide is a process and intent, not an outcome. Are you saying it's not genocide because everyone's not dead or forced off their land yet?

Considerably fewer civilians died in say, Srebrenica. Bosnian Muslims still live there. There are still Jews in Germany, Tutsis in Rwanda. The original inhabitants of the Americas and Australia still live there.

I'd also note -- as someone who's lived there -- that what Israel as a nation really excels at isn't tech, intelligence or manufacturing. Plenty of other countries are equal and above. I'd say it's marketing and comms.

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2. specproc ◴[25 Aug 25 11:45 UTC] No.45012802[source]▶
You're going to have to explain yourself there, son.
3. MangoToupe ◴[25 Aug 25 13:35 UTC] No.45013694[source]▶
> Everyone knows what genocide means.

Yes, it's spelled out very clearly to be based in intent and not outcome here: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

If anyone is trying to "gaslight" anyone, it's going to be in the direction of justifying the actions of Israel (or the West's support of or complicity in it).