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361 points gloxkiqcza | 8 comments | 24 Aug 25 16:30 UTC | HN request time: 0.206s | source | bottom
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torginus ◴[25 Aug 25 08:26 UTC] No.45011561[source]▶
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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1. ozgrakkurt ◴[25 Aug 25 10:31 UTC] No.45012358[source]▶
Politicians represent the country, if politicians are corrupted and stupid then the country is corrupted and stupid
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2. AnthonyMouse ◴[25 Aug 25 10:41 UTC] No.45012413[source]▶
That's assuming voting systems or checks and balances don't matter. If you made structural mistakes in how you choose politicians, you're going to have a worse time than if you use better systems.
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3. aa-jv ◴[25 Aug 25 12:16 UTC] No.45013025[source]▶
The people will always get the politicians they deserve.
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4. GuinansEyebrows ◴[25 Aug 25 15:37 UTC] No.45015018{3}[source]▶
nobody "deserves" stephen miller.
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5. account42 ◴[26 Aug 25 07:46 UTC] No.45023493[source]▶
Politicians are supposed to represent the country. Politicians who are looking on controlling the views of the public instead of letting the views of the public guide the government by definition do not.
6. aa-jv ◴[26 Aug 25 10:53 UTC] No.45024837{4}[source]▶
They do, if they don't elect someone better.

Apathy towards politics is how we get bad politicians. This has been proven throughout history.

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7. GuinansEyebrows ◴[26 Aug 25 15:07 UTC] No.45027650{5}[source]▶
no. nobody deserves the leadership of bigots. i don't care how apathetic you are, i still want better for you than that.
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8. aa-jv ◴[27 Aug 25 09:23 UTC] No.45037225{6}[source]▶
The point is, you ARE responsible for the politicians that govern you.