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Is 4chan the perfect Pirate Bay poster child to justify wider UK site-blocking?

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361 points gloxkiqcza | 9 comments | 24 Aug 25 16:30 UTC | HN request time: 0.002s | source | bottom
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klipklop ◴[25 Aug 25 05:14 UTC] No.45010448[source]▶
The game Alpha Centauri had the most hard hitting quote that I think applies now.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny...Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' "

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amelius ◴[25 Aug 25 08:38 UTC] No.45011646[source]▶
> As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny.

This had until recently been only tested for top-down information. Nowadays, everyone can be a broadcaster and we're seeing quite different results.

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mlnj ◴[25 Aug 25 10:15 UTC] No.45012275[source]▶
The only sources of information we currently see about protests happening across the US are by small broadcasters. There is plenty of news that is being systematically being suppressed by the top-down information chain because it is so effective in clamping down dissent.

IMO, free flowing information still remains the best safeguard against tyranny.

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1. amelius ◴[25 Aug 25 10:26 UTC] No.45012323[source]▶
But the tyranny we're seeing today is arguably a result of individual broadcasters ...
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2. MangoToupe ◴[25 Aug 25 13:38 UTC] No.45013722[source]▶
Maybe very, very indirectly—it seems a lot easier to just blame the people currently wielding power, either in government or in business.
3. miningape ◴[25 Aug 25 14:11 UTC] No.45014060[source]▶
Doesn't this imply that what we're seeing today and calling tyranny is more free than what came before? (anyone can become an individual broadcaster)

Put another way - is this a case of the tyrannical calling the free tyrants? If Orwell or Huxley taught us anything it's that this how a state maintains its illusion/power - manipulating language and perception to make their control seem necessary/liberating.

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4. parineum ◴[25 Aug 25 14:27 UTC] No.45014228[source]▶
That's because we're not seeing _actual_ tyranny. Maybe a would-be tyrant, tryannical tendencies or a slide toward tyranny, however you might want to phrase it, but it's not tyranny.

Individual broadcasters are also the largest detractors along with supporters.

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5. vizzier ◴[25 Aug 25 17:39 UTC] No.45016491[source]▶
This looks a lot like tyranny to me. Small scale and many may feel its justified but ICE appears to be acting repeatedly in defiance of lawful orders here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c04ryk6ed5lo

6. ok_dad ◴[25 Aug 25 18:06 UTC] No.45016862[source]▶
When is it tyranny? When he send the military into 19 states under federal control? Or does it have to be when he’s actually ordering the killings of his opponents?
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7. vizzier ◴[25 Aug 25 18:35 UTC] No.45017284{3}[source]▶
https://apnews.com/article/trump-executive-order-flag-burnin...

You can't even make this shit up.

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8. amelius ◴[26 Aug 25 09:00 UTC] No.45024065[source]▶
I'd say no, because this new free world came from the old world, so the latter must have been free.
9. ok_dad ◴[26 Aug 25 19:20 UTC] No.45030985{4}[source]▶
Exactly, we’re being downvoted by fans of tyrants.