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Is 4chan the perfect Pirate Bay poster child to justify wider UK site-blocking?

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361 points gloxkiqcza | 11 comments | 24 Aug 25 16:30 UTC | HN request time: 1.426s | source | bottom
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torginus ◴[25 Aug 25 08:26 UTC] No.45011561[source]▶
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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luke727 ◴[25 Aug 25 09:27 UTC] No.45011932[source]▶
The thing you have to understand is that the average Brit wants and possibly needs the government to tell them how to live their lives. It's a completely foreign paradigm to the average American, though alarming "progress" has been made on the American front as of late.
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1. luke727 ◴[25 Aug 25 10:30 UTC] No.45012353[source]▶
My comment provoked you enough to create an account just to make a throwaway insult reply to it. I think perhaps it hit closer to home than you would care to acknolwedge.
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2. kachapopopow ◴[25 Aug 25 10:42 UTC] No.45012415[source]▶
they're kinda right, in europe we really don't give a shit about politics and if we do you're doing something wrong.
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3. _nada ◴[25 Aug 25 11:21 UTC] No.45012622[source]▶
As with your initial comment, none of these assertions are correct.

This is not a throwaway account or comment - it is my first and only HN account.

The comment I made was not an insult, but was made to flag the ignorance and stupidity of yours - maybe take a look at the subreddit and see if you can see some parallels. If you have taken it as an insult then that's fine.

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4. luke727 ◴[25 Aug 25 11:23 UTC] No.45012644{3}[source]▶
You should give a shit because Europe is on its way to implementing its own horrible legislation [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb...

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5. throwaway65042 ◴[25 Aug 25 11:27 UTC] No.45012673{3}[source]▶
Going by that reasoning someone must be clearly doing something wrong considering they seem to voice their political will at about the same rate as the politically active Americans.

Turnout in the latest presidential/general elections:

2025 German federal election 82.5%

2024 United Kingdom general election 59.7%

2022 French presidential election 73.69%(I)/71.99%(II)

2022 Italian general election 63.85%

2023 Spanish general election 66.6%

2024 United States presidential election 64.1%

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6. luke727 ◴[25 Aug 25 11:47 UTC] No.45012813{3}[source]▶
Well, I offered my observations and a few people agreed with me to varying degrees. You asserted I'm wrong, ignorant, and stupid. Perhaps that is true; it is not, however, an argument.
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7. monkey_monkey ◴[25 Aug 25 11:48 UTC] No.45012824{4}[source]▶
https://legiscan.com/MS/text/HB1126/id/2988284

America ! America! God Shine Her Light On Theeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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8. _nada ◴[25 Aug 25 12:24 UTC] No.45013084{4}[source]▶
Again, none of these statement are true. When you wrote "The thing you have to understand", this is not an observation - it is a statement of objective fact. I never asserted you were ignorant and stupid - I initially implied your comment was, which it objectively is.
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9. kachapopopow ◴[25 Aug 25 13:47 UTC] No.45013804{4}[source]▶
Yah, exactly, we do care about politics right this moment because the goverment did fuck up badly.
10. account42 ◴[26 Aug 25 08:11 UTC] No.45023682{5}[source]▶
In what way is this supposed to be a response to the statement that Europeans should give a shit a bout chat control?

Do you think this is a contest where as long as you can find other countries with similar shit you don't score last?

11. luke727 ◴[28 Aug 25 05:40 UTC] No.45048789{5}[source]▶
I don't think pathologizing an entire nation is a statement of objective fact. Regardless, upon reflection I feel my initial comment was unduly harsh. I think it would be more accurate to say that British society as a whole is very much in favor of the nanny state.