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torginus ◴[] No.45011561[source]
I genuinely do not understand where how the idea of building a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored, can even as much as seriously be considered by an allegedly pro-democracy, pro-human rights government, much less make it into law.

Also:

Step 1: Build mass surveillance to prevent the 'bad guys' from coming into political power (its ok, we're the good guys).

Step 2: Your political opponents capitalize on your genuinely horrific overreach, and legitimize themselves in the eyes of the public as fighting against tyranny (unfortunately for you they do have a point). They promise to dismantle the system if coming to power.

Step 3: They get elected.

Step 4: They don't dismantle the system, now the people you planned to use the system against are using it against you.

Sounds brilliant, lets do this.

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specproc ◴[] No.45011763[source]
The West aren't good guys and have never been the good guys. We talked a good talk about democracy when we had communism to compare it to, but without that to contrast with, we look increasingly like the managed democracies you see out East.
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simmerup ◴[] No.45011815[source]
So naive. Talking points from the mouthpieces of the CCP and Russia who would love us to believe we’re all the same
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1. buyucu ◴[] No.45012127[source]
Not everyone you disagree with is a CCP/Russia/<insert_scapegoat> mouthpiece.
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2. simmerup ◴[] No.45012923[source]
No, but they could very easily be using the same talking points
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3. aa-jv ◴[] No.45013021[source]
So? Maybe the Russians are right about some things, now and then.
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4. simmerup ◴[] No.45013220{3}[source]
Doubtful
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5. snapcaster ◴[] No.45014211{4}[source]
the propaganda has worked wonders on you
6. buyucu ◴[] No.45015797{4}[source]
you've been brainwashed