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klipklop ◴[] No.45010448[source]
The game Alpha Centauri had the most hard hitting quote that I think applies now.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny...Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' "

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brap ◴[] No.45010804[source]
I mean, yes, but also…

Not specifically related to this “child protection” thing, but you can’t deny that the free flow of information also leads to some pretty terrible things, driven by actors such as states, magnified x1000 by social media, and now also AI.

Every platform these days is full to the brim with misinformation and propaganda (which ends up in mainstream media as well), deliberately making many of us hateful and sometimes violent. The free flow of information is undoubtedly being used for harm.

I’m 100% for personal liberty and accountability, and admittedly I don’t have a solution for this.

I do think the Elon Musk approach (“just let people decide for themselves”) is very naive at best.

Again just to be clear this has nothing to do with the UK thing which I strongly disagree with.

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miki123211 ◴[] No.45011277[source]
Knives help you cook delicious food, knives can also help you stab your partner to death. This doesn't mean knives should be banned (though, ironically enough, the UK believes otherwise).

Different technologies are in different places on the "societal usefullness versus danger" spectrum. Nuclear weapons are obviously on the "really fricking dangerous" side, no country lets a civilian own them. Forks are obviously on the "useful" side, even though you can technically use one to gouge somebody's eye out.

What's the right tradeoff for guns, printing presses, typewriters and social media companies is a matter of some debate.

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1. nathan_compton ◴[] No.45011989[source]
> Knives help you cook delicious food, knives can also help you stab your partner to death. This doesn't mean knives should be banned (though, ironically enough, the UK believes otherwise).

This is a reasonable enough metaphor but we don't have to pretend to be idiots either and act like every single technology is totally neutral in its design. Knives are a good example, actually. Kitchen knives are totally adequate for killing people (I assume, I'm no expert) but they clearly have a design meant for something else. A nuclear weapon, to choose a stupidly obvious example, has no capability other than mass death. It seems reasonable to ask ourselves whether we want these two objects to be under the same regulatory regime.

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2. homebrewer ◴[] No.45012261[source]
> has no capability other than mass death

A 30-kiloton nuclear explosion was used by the USSR to extinguish a large natural gas fire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urtabulak_gas_field

They would be used for constructive purposes far more if not for mutual distrust between nuclear powers, and the public hysteria around anything associated with the word "nuclear":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_nuclear_explosion

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3. wat10000 ◴[] No.45013312[source]
And the massive amounts of harmful fallout, don’t forget that.
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4. account42 ◴[] No.45024220{3}[source]
There are also harmful downsides to the alternative methods used now.
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5. nathan_compton ◴[] No.45024323[source]
This is another version of "we don't need to pretend to be stupid."

Yes, one could cook up all sorts of uses for the things called nuclear weapons, which we designed by people to kill other people. But we don't have to pretend to be stupid and assume nuclear weapons don't, I don't know, exist in a context of warfare which shapes their design and warrants actual thought about their use and regulation?

6. wat10000 ◴[] No.45025243{4}[source]
Alternative methods for doing what? Putting out gas well fires?