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1. dmitrygr ◴[] No.45005981[source]
I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back. Their motivation will have nothing to do with defending free speech, but an enemy of my enemy IS my friend.
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2. croes ◴[] No.45006036[source]
But the predator of your predator isn’t your protector, just a bigger predator.

The current US administration isn’t pro free speech, they just use other tools to prevent it.

UK uses laws, US uses money respectively the lack of money for you if your speech doesn’t suit them.

US free speech has a price tag.

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3. cyanydeez ◴[] No.45006065[source]
The us is on a parallel track You will be underwhelmed.
4. basisword ◴[] No.45006111[source]
>> I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back

He'll need to start first with taking action at home. Florida and I believe Texas have also implemented age restrictions for various websites and did so before the UK.

So maybe they're not your friend.

5. krona ◴[] No.45006127[source]
S.1748 - Kids Online Safety Act[1] is working its way through and as I understand it has fairly broad support.

There may be significant differences between KOSA and OSA in their implementation but they are the same in essence.

[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/174...

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6. bediger4000 ◴[] No.45006281[source]
Hard disagree. Trump can apparently be bribed. This could be solved by a discrete transfer of cryptocurrency to a specific Maltese or Transnistrian wallet.
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7. wmf ◴[] No.45006307{3}[source]
I don't know if 4chan can afford to bribe Trump and they might be better off taking the martyr approach. Being banned in the UK adds some cachet.
8. lupusreal ◴[] No.45006412{3}[source]
Just how much revenue do you think 4chan gets, from the UK of all places? I can't imagine this being worth a bribe to Hiro.
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9. thorncorona ◴[] No.45006604[source]
Honestly from the summary this seems pretty.. reasonable?
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10. whatshisface ◴[] No.45006701{3}[source]
If the limitations on conducting A/B tests on people under 13 are enforced, you will need a driver's license to connect to the internet, and you will need to show it to every website.
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11. bediger4000 ◴[] No.45006806{4}[source]
I'm not sure what size bribes the current administration takes. I'm sure that in some situations haggling takes place.

Trump, as a professed Christian, could possibly take a "widow's mites" approach to a bribe from 4chan.

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12. monkey_monkey ◴[] No.45007446[source]
You're joking right?

https://bsky.social/about/blog/08-22-2025-mississippi-hb1126

Mississpi is a pretty Republican state and has enacted even more stringent and privacy-invasive laws.

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13. DaSHacka ◴[] No.45007567[source]
Sounds like their parents outta start doing their job, then.
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14. crooked-v ◴[] No.45008327{3}[source]
What the summary leaves out is that elements of it like 'harm to minors' have loopholes you could drive a truck through. It's designed to allow arbitrary censorship of wrongthink with 'think of the children' as cover.
15. opan ◴[] No.45008582{4}[source]
Surely a state ID is enough, right? I know at least 3 legal adults in my circles alone without a driver's license, though I believe they all have either a state ID or permit. (Not that I support requiring any sort of meatspace identification for acting in cyberspace).
16. _carbyau_ ◴[] No.45009088[source]
> But the predator of your predator isn’t your protector, just a bigger predator.

That line sounds like the start of a counter to "Won't somebody think of the children."

17. chmod775 ◴[] No.45009402{4}[source]
Companies don't need A/B tests to tell them that requiring a driver's license is going to hurt conversions more than no more A/B tests.
18. dmix ◴[] No.45010315[source]
Mississippi is forcing wikipedia, 4chan, a ton of other sites to have ID uploads?
19. laughing_man ◴[] No.45010506[source]
KOSA is one of those bills that gets introduced in every session (sometimes under different names) without any chance of passing.
20. jaimex2 ◴[] No.45010845{3}[source]
The devil is always in the detail.
21. happymellon ◴[] No.45010884{3}[source]
But it's literally the same thing.

> This bill requires covered online platforms, including social media platforms, to implement tools and safeguards to protect users and visitors under the age of 17.

What is an "online platform", and how would they know the visitor is under 17?

22. lupusreal ◴[] No.45011912{5}[source]
If anything, it is in 4chan's interest to be banned by UK ISPs since this will induce the sale of a few more passes, which permit posting from VPNs.

Anyway, 4chan barely keeps the lights on as it is. Worrying about 4chan bribing politicians is absurd. Either politicians will help 4chan out of some sense of self-interest, or they won't help at all.

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23. immibis ◴[] No.45012165{3}[source]
This is a thought-terminating cliche.
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24. filoleg ◴[] No.45014644{6}[source]
> If anything, it is in 4chan's interest to be banned by UK ISPs since this will induce the sale of a few more passes, which permit posting from VPNs.

I sense a bit of a flaw in this strategy, given that 4chan being banned in UK would presumably block any payments for passes from UK-origin banks/cards made to 4chan bank accounts as well.

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25. lupusreal ◴[] No.45015031{7}[source]
4chan no longer accepts any such payment anyway. They only take crypto through coinbase.
26. DaSHacka ◴[] No.45021471{4}[source]
Still a better alternative than censoring the entire internet because its not inherently safe for children.
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27. immibis ◴[] No.45038995{5}[source]
Thought-terminating cloches are not a better alternative to anything.
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28. DaSHacka ◴[] No.45045553{6}[source]
What is a "thought-terminating cloche"?