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808 points shaunpud | 5 comments | 24 Aug 25 10:27 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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ulrischa ◴[24 Aug 25 11:15 UTC] No.45003303[source]▶
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mtsr ◴[24 Aug 25 11:20 UTC] No.45003337[source]▶
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littlecranky67 ◴[24 Aug 25 11:29 UTC] No.45003392[source]▶
Clear case of "motive justifies the means". I think in a free democracy, no one should block any propaganda, as it the responsibility of the individual to asses what to read and what not. In a democracy, it is more dangerous to censor and justify the means with motive - this opens the door to unjust censorship.
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1. mnw21cam ◴[24 Aug 25 12:10 UTC] No.45003631[source]▶
The best counter-argument I can provide to your wonderful ideal is that people are stupid, and they are vulnerable to being manipulated into believing dangerous peace-disrupting falsehoods by propaganda.
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2. moron4hire ◴[24 Aug 25 12:27 UTC] No.45003739[source]▶
If the people are too stupid to discern propaganda from truth, then they are too stupid to vote.
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3. littlecranky67 ◴[24 Aug 25 12:59 UTC] No.45003947[source]▶
Spinning your thoughts further, you assume that stupidity is not some kind of freedom that you get to enjoy in a democracy. The opposite is true, people are free to be stupid, and if the majority is stupid, the smart people have to give in to the fact that stupid people make the rules (by voting).

The whole idea of supressing stupidity in a democracy leads to some sort of elitist society.

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4. jdiff ◴[24 Aug 25 13:49 UTC] No.45004239[source]▶
Nobody is immune to propaganda. Thinking you are paradoxically makes you more susceptible.
5. Barrin92 ◴[24 Aug 25 14:10 UTC] No.45004372[source]▶
>The whole idea of supressing stupidity in a democracy leads to some sort of elitist society.

there's nothing wrong with this. Stable democracies tend to be republican and elitist. One of the reasons why the US has been, until recently, an exceptionally stable country was because decision making was largely insulated from the whims of the public. Democracy properly understood is best used as a tool for legitimacy and as a check against the worst abuses of power, not actually as a tool for decision making.

Having the inmates run the asylum is generally a bad idea, we've known this since Plato.