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afcool83 ◴[] No.44988724[source]
I live in one of the areas they are actively testing/training in. Their cars consistently behave better and more safely than most human drivers that I’m forced to share the road with.

As semi-autonomous and autonomous cars become the norm, I would adore to see obtaining a drivers license ratchet up in difficulty in order to remove dangerous human drivers from the road.

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gibolt ◴[] No.44988868[source]
The real issue is all the current bad drivers. A requirement to start re-testing normal people in addition to the elderly would be a large benefit to society.
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rs186 ◴[] No.44989017[source]
Complete unrelated, I just wish every driver on the road re-learn that cyclists have the same rights of being on city roads like cars.
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MisterMower ◴[] No.44992270[source]
Cyclists contribute to congestion and occupy road space that was created through taxes on motorists while paying nothing for these benefits.

Cyclists are not licensed and their bicycles are not tagged or inspected for safe operation on roads, unlike motorists.

Cyclists are rarely subjected to traffic law enforcement despite demanding all of the rights that motorists pay for and are licensed for.

Cyclists are a danger to themselves and others while operating in the same area as motorists, but are not required to carry insurance or wear safety equipment, while motorists are held to more stringent regulation.

In a nutshell, cyclists are free-riding risk takers who are arrogant to boot. When they start acting like motorists and pay taxes like motorists and are fined like motorists for violating the law, I will happily change my opinion.

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nostrebored ◴[] No.44992334[source]
Motorists __DO NOT COVER__ the costs of roads. Your existence as a motorist is entirely subsidized. The cost of driving is borne by government and society. Road infrastructure, maintenance, and space for cars is actually insanely expensive.
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MisterMower ◴[] No.44992526[source]
What do you think taxes on gasoline are for?

You’re absolutely right, roadways are insanely expensive. That’s why it’s infuriating to see entire lanes expropriated for cyclists.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.44993537[source]
> What do you think taxes on gasoline are for?

Paying for our highways circa 1993 [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_Sta...

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1. MisterMower ◴[] No.44998564[source]
You realize states levy taxes on gas too, right? And that those taxes are remitted to city governments to build and maintain infrastructure?
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2. nostrebored ◴[] No.44999713[source]
What percentage of the TCO of roads do you think is covered by gas tax?

You are using a state service whenever you use the road. It is a subsidy that people who are the largest offenders consistently choose to entrench.

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3. MisterMower ◴[] No.45001365[source]
Not enough. I've been consistently stating throughout this thread that people need to pay for their use. The fact that motorists shoulder some but not all of the cost is not an argument that cyclists should be exempted from paying any of the cost.
4. const_cast ◴[] No.45059093[source]
None of what you're saying matters even a little bit if you're not able to provide any numbers on how much you're actually paying. Because we both know it's not 100%, or even 25%. So stop bullshitting.