←back to thread

597 points achristmascarl | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.205s | source
Show context
meagher ◴[] No.44988282[source]
This is great long term for having cars that follow traffic laws since human drivers in NYC are awful (kill/injure pedestrians, bikers, and other street users all the time).

Not so great for getting cars out of NYC and pedestrianizing more of the city/moving towards more “low traffic neighborhoods” as I imagine Waymo and other similar companies are going to fight against these efforts.

Edit: Lots of people talking about human drivers taking advantage of self-driving cars being more cautious/timid. Good news is that once you have enough self-driving cars on the road, it probably slows down/calms other traffic (see related research on speed governors).

replies(6): >>44988337 #>>44988340 #>>44988361 #>>44988777 #>>44988804 #>>44988830 #
xnx ◴[] No.44988361[source]
> pedestrianizing more of the city

Replacing dangerous, dirty, noisy cars with safe, clean, and quiet ones seems like a huge pedestrianizing step.

What's a "low traffic neighborhood"? Does that allow busses or deliveries?

replies(1): >>44988426 #
meagher ◴[] No.44988426[source]
It’s a step in the right direction, but they still pollute (heavy electric vehicles have a lot more tire dust) and take up a lot space (could close roads and build housing or just have more space for the millions of city residents that don’t have/use cars).

LTN still allow buses, emergency vehicles, deliveries, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Traffic_Neighbourhood

replies(3): >>44988463 #>>44988685 #>>44989249 #
NewJazz ◴[] No.44988463[source]
EVs usually produce much less brake dust, not more, than combustion vehicles.
replies(2): >>44988576 #>>44988695 #
1. Scoundreller ◴[] No.44988695[source]
More tire dust on EVs tho cuz of the added weight and ability to accelerate a lot faster. EVs can really chew through tires.

Brake dust composition is improving tho: https://www.epa.gov/npdes/copper-free-brake-initiative