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TulliusCicero ◴[] No.44987256[source]
It's fascinating seeing all the comments elsewhere anytime Waymo starts testing in another city along the lines of, "ah, but how will they handle X, Y, and Z here?? Checkmate, robots!" despite having already launched service in several other cities.

Granted, NYC is the biggest city in the US, so maybe that sort of reaction is more reasonable there than when people in Dallas or Boston do it.

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testfrequency ◴[] No.44987366[source]
Since Waymo is very reliable in LA and SF, you will be just fine in NYC.

Your grid system is far less of a challenge than the amount of hills, twists, narrow streets and low visibility back streets in California.

I genuinely think the most complicated challenge for Waymo in NYC will be…winter snow and ice.

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kingkawn ◴[] No.44987621[source]
LA and SF are not close to close to the complexity of nyc traffic and pedestrian culture
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testfrequency ◴[] No.44987965[source]
TIL.

LA doesn’t have complex traffic? What sort of traffic do we have in LA then?

LA is walkable, it’s lazy (and mostly incorrect) to say LA isn’t walkable.

LA County is massive, and depending on where you want to pick a comparison from, you may prove yourself either right or wrong.

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rickyhatespeas ◴[] No.44988167[source]
Traffic on the sidewalk is a daily occurrence and often necessity in NYC. I'm not sure exactly how every area in LA is but often (as in pretty much constantly every day) in Manhattan or Brooklyn drivers don't obey the lines on the road, don't care to bump objects and cars to fit into a spot, literally threaten to hit other cars to get anywhere.

There's a bit of a "do what you have to" mentality with NY traffic that I haven't seen in any other east coast or mid-western city. I think that poses some unique challenges that I've often seen video of Waymos freezing up when facing similar scenarios, which could cause huge issues in most of the city.

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1. testfrequency ◴[] No.44988416[source]
You articulated this very well, thanks.

LA is extremely similar. Often can only make unprotected turns at lights while it’s red and you’re in the box, you have to wait at the top of a hill and have your car sideways while the oncoming car has space to drive up a hill, cars trying to give you space so you can drive through a line of traffic into the adjacent traffic pattern.

The “freezing” issues are very real though (and frustrating), and it’s what most everyone who uses Waymo in any city right now jokes/complains about. Waymo can often get into a weird game of “chicken” when there’s a four way stop with pedestrians, and any slight movement from the intersection can often make the car stop - so the pedestrian stops - the the Waymo finally moves again, but then pedestrian also started moving so the Waymo stops again and the pedestrian stops caring.

All this to say, I really don’t think there’s much that will be different. Go to Hollywood or Santa Monica

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2. kenhwang ◴[] No.44989322[source]
Here in Santa Monica, the Waymos will happily cut off pedestrians in crosswalks as soon as it decides it has waited reasonably long enough and it won't hit them.

Same with 4-way stops: once it thinks it waited long enough, it doesn't matter whose turn it rightfully is, if it sees an open path it will just take it.