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vinkelhake ◴[] No.44987373[source]
I live in the bay and occasionally ride Waymo in SF and I pretty much always have a good time.

I visited NYC a few weeks ago and was instantly reminded of how much the traffic fucking sucks :) While I was there I actually thought of Waymo and how they'd have to turn up the "aggression" slider up to 11 to get anything done there. I mean, could you imagine the audacity of actually not driving into an intersection when the light is yellow and you know you're going to block the crossing traffic?

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setgree ◴[] No.44987402[source]
Semi-related, but just once in my life, I want to hear a mayoral candidate say: “I endorse broken windows theory, but for drivers. You honk when there’s no emergency, block the box, roll through a stop sign — buddy that’s a ticket. Do it enough and we’ll impound your car.”

Who knows, maybe we’ll start taking our cues from our polite new robot driver friends…

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chrisshroba ◴[] No.44987497[source]
This always astounds me about cities who have a reputation for people breaking certain traffic laws. In St. Louis, people run red lights for 5+ seconds after it turns red, and no one seems to care to solve it, but if they'd just station police at some worst-offender lights for a couple months to write tickets, people would catch on pretty quickly that it's not worth the risk. I have similar thoughts on people using their phones at red lights and people running stop signs.
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rahkiin ◴[] No.44987653[source]
In europe we use traffic cameras for this. Going through red light? A bill is in your mailbox automatically. No need for a whole police station.
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1. 0_____0 ◴[] No.44988141[source]
In Massachusetts, USA, red light cameras were illegal until very recently, due to a 70s era law specifying that a live policeman had to issue a citation for something like that. From well before traffic cameras were common.
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2. rvnx ◴[] No.44988161[source]
Put a single live policeman in front of 100 camera screens
3. joecool1029 ◴[] No.44988263[source]
We had a pilot program in NJ for them, they were universally hated. People would slam brakes on and be hanging over the edge into intersection and throw their car into reverse panicking to avoid the ticket, ended up causing a ton of new accidents so the program was never continued. In newark people shot at the cameras: https://www.nj.com/news/2012/08/shoot_out_the_red_lights_2_t...
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4. Scoundreller ◴[] No.44988368[source]
Before they were common, yes, but they existed in active use back in the 1960s in the Netherlands: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_enforcement_camera
5. Scoundreller ◴[] No.44988390[source]
Thankfully sawzalls are cheap and plentiful so people can use much safer practices to disable/remove them:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/parkside-drive-speed-...

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6. rcpt ◴[] No.44988601[source]
Hitting the brakes and getting rear ended is barely even a crash compared to T-boning someone or plowing over pedestrians
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7. joecool1029 ◴[] No.44988679{3}[source]
I didn't say that. I said they'd panic and throw their vehicle into reverse. Cars/trucks can take the hit, motorcycles/bicycles not so much.
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8. 0_____0 ◴[] No.44989745[source]
That's an insufficient yellow phase rather than a camera problem. Not sure why NJ would think their population are special snowflakes that can't deal with red light cameras otherwise.
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9. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44991609{3}[source]
I bet if you come back after they've removed the old one but before they install the new one you can wreck the threads on the threaded anchors by impacting the wrong size higher grade nut on.
10. rcpt ◴[] No.44992503{4}[source]
Huge skepticism that bicycles and motorcycles were getting backed into in any appreciable quantities.
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11. peterfirefly ◴[] No.44993186{3}[source]
Italians?
12. rahkiin ◴[] No.44994265[source]
Sounds like NJ has some terrible drivers
13. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44998200{5}[source]
How many people you willing to put in the hospital to prevent people from technically running reds on the yellow-red transition?
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14. AlexeyBelov ◴[] No.45001879{3}[source]
The comments is written as if you specifically advocate for this. Why?
15. rcpt ◴[] No.45005435{6}[source]
> in 2023, 1,086 people were killed in crashes that involved red light running

https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/red-light-running

So let's use that as an upper bound.

How many people were killed by these backups you're talking about?

16. joecool1029 ◴[] No.45006406{5}[source]
If not that then rear-ended, here's the state's report on how red light cameras increased accidents: https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/about/publicat/lmreports/p...