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net01 ◴[] No.44982851[source]
Ofcom can fine 4chan all it wants, but without UK assets those penalties are unenforceable, they have no power here.

This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

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blibble ◴[] No.44982943[source]
> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive

don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

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zdragnar ◴[] No.44983451[source]
The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".
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doka_smoka ◴[] No.44983626[source]
I don't feel represented on the national or international stage AT ALL. Maybe I'll stop paying mine.
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aleph_minus_one ◴[] No.44983713[source]
> I don't feel represented on the national or international stage AT ALL. Maybe I'll stop paying mine.

Now gather a huge group of friends who are willing to fight for this cause (and for whose this cause is so important that they can accept ending in jail or even worse).

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DeusExMachina ◴[] No.44985124{3}[source]
Be careful what you ask for. History has proven that such a group will exist at some point.
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mindslight ◴[] No.44985246{4}[source]
System's got that on lock by setting it up so the people most predisposed to fight the government are actually cheering on the new taxes. Information/policy/consent flowing the opposite way from how is commonly understood has been my critique of democracy for a long time, but the effect just keeps growing. Social media is a hell of a drug.
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GuinansEyebrows ◴[] No.44985530{5}[source]
> System's got that on lock by setting it up so the people most predisposed to fight the government are actually cheering on the new taxes

more likely, proving that this group of people never actually believed in anything.

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mindslight ◴[] No.44986178{6}[source]
I don't see how that is a more useful model than what I said. Maybe for rallying people to oppose the current problems. But it feels like such preaching to the choir mainly serves to exacerbate the "culture war" that helps shut off people's thinking to begin with. So pushing that way might help win the immediate battle, but it also helps lose the overall war.
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GuinansEyebrows ◴[] No.44986625{7}[source]
i don't think it contributes to the culture war to recognize that most people are not truly engaged in a collective sense, and that we are trapped within a self-reproducing system that relies on that:

"...the autocratic reign of the market economy which had acceded to an irresponsible sovereignty, and the totality of new techniques of government which accompanied this reign."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_(critical_theory)

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1. mindslight ◴[] No.44986740{8}[source]
That may be where you are coming from, but your original comment didn't contain anything beyond a simple smack down that is too-easily interpreted in a partisan manner.
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2. viridian ◴[] No.45040616[source]
One can be immersed in the behavior of the spectacle while also opposed to it. Frankly, I'd say that applies frequently to most situationists and critical theorists I've interacted with, including myself.

The fact that signposting "outgroup bad" is so psychologically rewarding, while nuanced discussions are more difficult, get less engagement from others, etc, is actually a critical reason we are where we are as a culture.

This isn't meant as a defense of or attack on GuinansEyebrows, more a self reflection of my own, similar behavior.