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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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nickdothutton ◴[22 Aug 25 12:15 UTC] No.44983582[source]▶
Step 1, pass law.

Step 2, demand compliance.

Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines.

Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2).

Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc.

5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

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sunshine-o ◴[22 Aug 25 13:01 UTC] No.44984120[source]▶
This is the only power they have left.

The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

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lokar ◴[22 Aug 25 14:47 UTC] No.44985325[source]▶
While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
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mathiaspoint ◴[22 Aug 25 16:02 UTC] No.44986196[source]▶
The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.)

Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unusually undemocratic.

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4ndrewl ◴[22 Aug 25 16:09 UTC] No.44986293[source]▶
Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).
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1. mathiaspoint ◴[22 Aug 25 16:24 UTC] No.44986470[source]▶
Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for.

The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.

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2. Symbiote ◴[22 Aug 25 16:31 UTC] No.44986545[source]▶
Everyone also had the choice to vote Green or Liberal Democrat. I believe both promise electoral reform.
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3. 4ndrewl ◴[22 Aug 25 16:44 UTC] No.44986699[source]▶
That's how our representative democracy works though. Even if just one person votes in each constituency.

I say that those who didn't vote knew it was a foregone conclusion and would have voted in the same proportion as those who did vote.

4. incone123 ◴[22 Aug 25 16:48 UTC] No.44986746[source]▶
They can promise whatever they like knowing there's very little chance they will be put to the test.

The last time the Lib Dems got a taste of power in 2010 it was by going into coalition with the Tories at the cost of dumping key election pledges. Next election they were dumped by the public and their leader Nick Clegg was hired by Meta - presumably for his connections as he has no particular talent to sell.

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5. lawlessone ◴[22 Aug 25 17:10 UTC] No.44987026[source]▶
>The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies

> so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for.

Probably shoulda voted then

6. 4ndrewl ◴[22 Aug 25 19:41 UTC] No.44988936[source]▶
You say they weren't given a choice, but there are now more parties represented in parliament now than before.

What percent of the electorate voting for the biggest party would be acceptable to you?

7. Symbiote ◴[22 Aug 25 22:14 UTC] No.44990511{3}[source]▶
The Lib Dems made a referendum on a fairer voting method a condition of the coalition, and they got their referendum. I see no reason to doubt they'd implement electoral reform if elected.