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DeepSeek-v3.1

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776 points wertyk | 4 comments | 21 Aug 25 19:06 UTC | HN request time: 1.263s | source
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hereme888 ◴[22 Aug 25 15:50 UTC] No.44986048[source]▶
Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.
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bobro ◴[22 Aug 25 15:53 UTC] No.44986091[source]▶
Can you contrast this with Western companies? What are the Chinese companies stealing that Western companies aren’t? Do you mean tech or content?
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hereme888 ◴[22 Aug 25 16:04 UTC] No.44986210[source]▶
Ethics of Chinese vs. Western companies? Everything. I'm sure you're aware of how many hundreds of $billions of American IP are stolen by Chinese companies.
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1. bobro ◴[22 Aug 25 16:14 UTC] No.44986353[source]▶
I’m not asking broadly about difference in ethics. I’m asking specifically about IP theft in the AI space.
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2. hereme888 ◴[22 Aug 25 16:52 UTC] No.44986798[source]▶
I'm not aware of any proven IP theft by American companies in the AI space. Many pending legal challenges. None yet proven.
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3. bobro ◴[22 Aug 25 19:19 UTC] No.44988716[source]▶
Alright. So there’s proven IP theft by the Chinese companies with completed legal proceedings?
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4. hereme888 ◴[23 Aug 25 00:48 UTC] No.44991826{3}[source]▶
With completed legal proceedings, at least two cases: Xiaolang Zhang was sentenced in 2024 for stealing Apple's AI autonomous vehicle tech for Chinese AI company XPeng. Xiang Haitao was sentenced in 2022 for stealing Monsanto's AI predictive algorithm for a Chinese research institute.