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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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nickdothutton ◴[22 Aug 25 12:15 UTC] No.44983582[source]▶
Step 1, pass law.

Step 2, demand compliance.

Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines.

Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2).

Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc.

5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

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sunshine-o ◴[22 Aug 25 13:01 UTC] No.44984120[source]▶
This is the only power they have left.

The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

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lokar ◴[22 Aug 25 14:47 UTC] No.44985325[source]▶
While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
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1. macinjosh ◴[22 Aug 25 15:40 UTC] No.44985930[source]▶
Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.
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2. lokar ◴[22 Aug 25 15:50 UTC] No.44986052[source]▶
I agree. But it does matter if you want to do more then rant on the internet. If there is public support you need to educate people and change minds.
3. dpc050505 ◴[22 Aug 25 15:50 UTC] No.44986054[source]▶
The form of government that applies democracy is rooted in the ideology that the majority knows best, which is the ideological version of democracy.
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4. pegasus ◴[22 Aug 25 15:50 UTC] No.44986055[source]▶
Parent was correctly pointing out that responsibility for whatever troubles the UK might be actually encountering should be distributed as democratically as its form of government actually is.
5. kelseyfrog ◴[22 Aug 25 15:56 UTC] No.44986117[source]▶
Anything can be turned into an ideology, even democracy.
6. kibwen ◴[22 Aug 25 15:59 UTC] No.44986151[source]▶
> rooted in the ideology that the majority knows best

Let's be careful here, the point in favor of democracy is not that the majority knows best, but rather if that people are to be subject to laws, then those same people should have an equal share in determining what those laws are. IOW, the point of democracy is to give the people what they deserve, and no more.

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8. soraminazuki ◴[23 Aug 25 01:13 UTC] No.44992001[source]▶
When people talk about democracies, they almost always refer to liberal democracies.

With liberal democracies, I believe it's more about self-determination or fair representation than who knows best. The point is to prevent tyranny, including majority tyranny.

There can be no liberal democracy without the protection of human rights and the of law.

9. rapidaneurism ◴[23 Aug 25 04:29 UTC] No.44993162[source]▶
It's not 50% of the electorate, in the UK it is the plurality (second best plus 1 vote) of 50% of the electoral seats plus 1 seat. That gives absolute power.