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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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nickdothutton ◴[22 Aug 25 12:15 UTC] No.44983582[source]▶
Step 1, pass law.

Step 2, demand compliance.

Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines.

Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2).

Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc.

5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

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sunshine-o ◴[22 Aug 25 13:01 UTC] No.44984120[source]▶
This is the only power they have left.

The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

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lokar ◴[22 Aug 25 14:47 UTC] No.44985325[source]▶
While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
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1. hkt ◴[22 Aug 25 15:28 UTC] No.44985789[source]▶
The UK hasn't elected a government on 50% or more of the vote since the 1950s:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/717004/general-elections...

It is hard to call minority rule democratic, really. I've no issue with your point on the OSA and think it is widely supported, but let's be realistic, representation in the UK is virtual on matters like this: widely supported, but mostly by coincidence.

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2. cbsmith ◴[22 Aug 25 15:35 UTC] No.44985869[source]▶
I think you're making the original poster's point for them. It's very clear a minority government is not the one forcing OSA on people. They don't even have the power.

Arguably, minority rule is more democratic than majority rule, because minority rule isn't "the minority does whatever they want".

3. overfeed ◴[22 Aug 25 15:38 UTC] No.44985895[source]▶
2-party electoral systems (likely to bear >50% majority governments) are also not very democratic, in a way. There's no perfect system, but I prefer minority governments to a 2-party duopoly. YMMV.
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4. grues-dinner ◴[22 Aug 25 16:39 UTC] No.44986629[source]▶
The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory (Labour and Tories). Only rarely (e.g. 2010) does the token third party, the Lib Dems) get to be in coalition, and I think no one else has won anything since 1910.

In a monkey's paw moment for everyone who dislikes only having effectively two parties to choose from, this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.

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5. hdgvhicv ◴[22 Aug 25 17:23 UTC] No.44987185{3}[source]▶
Technically 2017-19 was a minority government where a party in Northern Ireland sold its votes for about £100k/mp/vote to prop up May.
6. overfeed ◴[22 Aug 25 20:15 UTC] No.44989285{3}[source]▶
> The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory

> ...this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.

How long has the Farage-shaped tail been wagging the dog? It probably was before 2010. He managed notch many wins without winning a majority government by getting the 2 major parties - especially the Tories - to adopt his parties' positions.

7. foldr ◴[22 Aug 25 20:31 UTC] No.44989464{3}[source]▶
It's a two party system in the sense that only two parties have a chance of winning any given UK general election, but the popular vote is quite widely distributed among parties. In the last election, 33.7% of people voted Labour and 23.7% people voted for the second largest party (the Conservatives):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1478478/uk-election-resu...