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Waterluvian ◴[] No.44976790[source]
I’m not a big AI fan but I do see it as just another tool in your toolbox. I wouldn’t really care how someone got to the end result that is a PR.

But I also think that if a maintainer asks you to jump before submitting a PR, you politely ask, “how high?”

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wahnfrieden ◴[] No.44976869[source]
You should care. If someone submits a huge PR, you’re going to waste time asking questions and comprehending their intentions if the answer is that they don’t know either. If you know it’s generated and they haven’t reviewed it themselves, you can decide to shove it back into an LLM for next steps rather than expect the contributor to be able to do anything with your review feedback.

Unreviewed generated PRs can still be helpful starting points for further LLM work if they achieve desired results. But close reading with consideration of authorial intent, giving detailed comments, and asking questions from someone who didn't write or read the code is a waste of your time.

That's why we need to know if a contribution was generated or not.

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nullc ◴[] No.44978112[source]
> is that they don’t know either

It would be nice if they did, in fact, say they didn't know. But more often they just waste your time making their chatbot argue with you. And the chatbots are outrageous gaslighters.

All big OSS projects have had the occasional bullshitter/gaslighter show up. But LLMs have increased the incidence level of these sorts of contributors by many orders of magnitude-- I consider it an open question if open-public-contribution opensource is viable in the world post LLM.

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kentm ◴[] No.44980839[source]
There was some post that comes to mind of an example of this. Some project had a security issue reported that was not a security issue, and when asking questions it became extremely obvious that someone was just feeding the conversation into an LLM. There was no security issue. I can imagine this is happening more and more as people are trying to slam in LLM generated code everywhere.

Everyone promoting LLMs, especially on HN, claim that they're expertly using them by using artisanal prompts and carefully examining the output but.. I'm honestly skeptical. Sure, some people are doing that (I do it from time to time). But I've seen enough slop to think that more people are throwing around code that they barely understand than these advocates care to admit .

Those same people will swear that they did due diligence, but why would they admit otherwise? And do they even know what proper due diligence is? And would they still be getting their mythical 30%-50% productivity boost if they were actually doing what they claimed they were doing?

And that is a problem. I cannot have a productive code review with someone that does not even understand what their code is actually doing, much less trade offs that were made in an implementation (because they did not consider any trade offs at all and just took what the LLM produced). If they can't have a conversation about the code at all because they didn't bother to read or understand anything about it, then theres nothing I can do except close the PR and tell them to actually do the work this time.

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1. wahnfrieden ◴[] No.44981053{3}[source]
The ghostty creator disagrees re: the productivity of un-reviewed generated PRs: https://x.com/mitchellh/status/1957930725996654718