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neilv ◴[] No.44976959[source]
There is also IP taint when using "AI". We're just pretending that there's not.

If someone came to you and said "good news: I memorized the code of all the open source projects in this space, and can regurgitate it on command", you would be smart to ban them from working on code at your company.

But with "AI", we make up a bunch of rationalizations. ("I'm doing AI agentic generative AI workflow boilerplate 10x gettin it done AI did I say AI yet!")

And we pretend the person never said that they're just loosely laundering GPL and other code in a way that rightly would be existentially toxic to an IP-based company.

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ineedasername ◴[] No.44977317[source]
Courts (at least in the US) have already ruled that use of ingested data for training is transformative. There’s lots of details to figure, but the genie is out of the bottle.

Sure it’s a big hill to climb in rethinking IP laws to align with a societal desire that generating IP continue to be a viable economic work product, but that is what’s necessary.

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BobbyTables2 ◴[] No.44980236[source]
I’m curious … So “transformative” is not necessarily “derivative”?

Seems to me the training of AI is not radically different than compression algorithms building up a dictionary and compressing data.

Yet nobody calls JPEG compression “transformative”.

Could one do lossy compression over billions of copyrighted images to “train” a dictionary?

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1. zahlman ◴[] No.44980566[source]
> I’m curious … So “transformative” is not necessarily “derivative”?

(not legal advice)

Transformative works are necessarily derivative, but that transformation allows for a legal claim to "fair use" regardless of making a derived work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformative_use