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Nurbek-F ◴[] No.44764571[source]
Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
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nickserv ◴[] No.44766371[source]
Yes that's probably the point. Cars kill many more people than scooters.
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kahirsch ◴[] No.44770884[source]
Not per mile driven.
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aDyslecticCrow ◴[] No.44771248[source]
Most scooter and bike deaths are from being ran over by a car going too fast for the zone. If you take that into the equation of the car (instead of the scooter or bike); then you probably only have heart attacks from warm weather left as a mortality cause for the bike.

So no, even per mile driven, cars kill people and bikes pretty much don't. And you should take the buss or train everywhere if you follow that logic to the extreme.

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Saline9515 ◴[] No.44771974[source]
This is not exactly true. First, many (most?) cyclists do not respect basic road safety rules, such as signaling when you turn, or respecting red lights. Let's not talk about safety behavior, such wearing a helmet or repressing the urge to listen music while riding a bike (I know, crazy, right?).

In France, each dataset shows consistently that accidents are very often caused by cyclists. 35% of the deadly accidents involving another road user were caused by cyclists, and if you consider serious accidents, in 2/3rd of the cases, no cars were involved.

Many deadly accidents are also caused by...a stroke (22% of the deaths), especially for older cyclists. This contradicts your point, as 1/3rd of the "solo deaths" are not caused by strokes. Indeed, 35% of the cyclists dying on the road do not involve another road user.

Hence, when you consider the total amount of cyclists killed on the road, less than half are in accidents where the car is responsible. In the case of suicide-by-redlight, is the car really to blame honestly? [0]

Hence, when accounting for minutes spend on the road, bikes are by far the most dangerous (excluding motorbikes, which at this point is a public program for organ donation).[1]

[0] https://www.cerema.fr/system/files/documents/2024/05/3._2024...

[1] https://www.quechoisir.org/actualite-velo-infographie-plus-d...

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1. nedt ◴[] No.44782961[source]
> repressing the urge to listen music

Have you seen how many car drivers can't resist to listen to music? They even drive with closed windows. It's even worse like having headphones on, because they don't hear people shouting before they hit them plus a car is faster and heavier. Let's start there for general safety.

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2. Saline9515 ◴[] No.44787423[source]
It's illegal to wear headphones while riding a bike in France.

And car drivers don't wear helmet either, yet I don't hear motorcyclists whine that it's unfair that we ask them to wear one for their own safety. Again, you can't refuse to follow basic safety rules, then complain that cyclists die on the road.

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3. nedt ◴[] No.44801995[source]
Actually car drivers really should wear helmets. They have a similar numbers in traumatic brain injury than cyclist without helmet.