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mzmzmzm ◴[] No.44771148[source]
At the same time NYC and Toronto, we are removing protected bike lanes. In North America the acceptable amount of lives per year to sacrifice for a little convenience for drivers is above zero, and apparently rising.
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cyberax[dead post] ◴[] No.44771694[source]
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timeon ◴[] No.44771849[source]
> actively worse for everyone

Can you elaborate?

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cyberax ◴[] No.44771961[source]
Second-order effects. Bikes are nothing but misery generators. They are the absolute WORST commute mode, so people (on average) choose literally anything else when they have that option. We have plenty of proof for that. There are cities with great bike _and_ car infrastructure, and the percentage of bike commutes is about the same as everywhere else.

So the only thing that bike lanes do is sabotage cars and other ground transit.

As a double whammy, bikes are inconvenient (or illegal) to take onto the most rapid and ground transit. And bikeshares are not reliable enough for daily commutes.

All these factors motivate people to move closer to the downtowns, because it becomes inconvenient to live afar. This in turn increases the price of real estate near downtowns, resulting in real estate developers building denser housing. This in turn results in higher rents, smaller units, more crime, etc.

Yes, I have researched this, and I have numbers to back up my words.

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1. Mawr ◴[] No.44776457[source]
> They are the absolute WORST commute mode, so people (on average) choose literally anything else when they have that option.

Objectively wrong. See the Netherlands.

> There are cities with great bike _and_ car infrastructure, and the percentage of bike commutes is about the same as everywhere else.

Even more objectively wrong. See Amsterdam.