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Nurbek-F ◴[] No.44764571[source]
Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
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connicpu ◴[] No.44770955[source]
Great, scooters are much less likely to kill pedestrians during collisions. I'm glad more people who didn't actually need 2 ton metal boxes are downsizing to something more practical.
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ARandomerDude[dead post] ◴[] No.44771112[source]
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ath3nd ◴[] No.44771317[source]
> Make it hard for people to have families and society will collapse

I used to live in Amsterdam which has a great public transport, great cycling paths, and limits of 30km/h. People are going cycling to school, on dates, and picnic with their families. Associating having a 3 ton gas guzzler as a prerequisite of having a family and a roadblock of "society" is only a question of poor imagination.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/six-health-lessons-learn-net...

There are multiple reasons Americans are obese as hell and living shorter than us Europeans, and driving everywhere is one of it.

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SoftTalker ◴[] No.44771586[source]
Some areas such as Amsterdam though are just naturally more ammenable to walking, cycling, and transit. Cycling in 90+ (F) temperatures with high humidity (very common in the summer in the US midwest or south), or even just walking very far or waiting very long for a bus is pretty miserable. I'd arrive at my destination literally dripping with sweat and really unpresentable.
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1. frosted-flakes ◴[] No.44772934{4}[source]
I sure that Amsterdam has plenty of Dutch hills.
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2. ath3nd ◴[] No.44774786[source]
My wife used to live in Bristol, which has plenty of hills, and she was biking everywhere. That's why she has a nice butt.

If one needs excuses to justify having a car and being stuck in traffic, hills ain't a valid one. 30km/h is great, makes for less noise, less air pollution, and now we see, it makes it for 0 traffic deaths. Much better to have the option to reach a grocery store on foot, by bike, by public transport and car than have no options but a car. That makes for less cars on the road, and, funnily enough, 30km/h on a non-busy road will often get you faster to where you want to go than 50 on a busy one.

Again, that's why we Europeans are both happier and fitter than our American counterparts.

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3. frosted-flakes ◴[] No.44774814[source]
I'm not sure how common the term is (I heard it in a YT video), but a "Dutch hill" is wind, because the Netherlands is very windy, and anyone who's ridden a bike in heavy wind knows that it can be just as much an obstacle as a moderate hill.