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francasso ◴[] No.44765919[source]
Maybe it's time to move to Europe or China
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numbers_guy ◴[] No.44765967[source]
There is nowhere to run and hide. Europe is worse than the US on this front. China also demands party loyalty. In a sense this is just the human condition. The ruling faction demands loyalty. Only a very advanced human civilization could move past that and allow criticism of the ruling class. Maybe the US had achieved that for a brief movement in the past or maybe it was just an illusion.

EDIT: For people wondering why I think it's worse in Europe, it's because in Europe the ruling class and the universities are on the same side. And when I say Europe, I mean UK, France and Germany.

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1. delusional ◴[] No.44766041[source]
What are you on about? I live in Europe. We don't terminate all contact to random universities because they said something the führer didn't like.

If you truly believe that the whole world is "just as bad" as this, then you are unimaginably far to the right.

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2. amelius ◴[] No.44766105[source]
I agree with you, but that choice of word doesn't make much sense here.
3. luckylion ◴[] No.44766300[source]
I wouldn't say it's "just as bad", but I also couldn't imagine a big university publicly and strongly going against the federal government in Germany on "culture war" issues.

If you're fully aligned, there's no telling what would happen if you weren't, and you can't use "nothing happens" as evidence that nothing would happen - you're always allowed to share the opinions of whoever funds you.

If Germany got a right-wing government on the federal level, I expect to see either funding being slashed or universities adjusting their positions.

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5. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44767252[source]
Thank you for the voice or reason.

It's silly to say that EU is better jut because people don't see the government interfere with universities in the EU, when EU universities would never go against the central government to begin with, because that's where all their money comes from. Why would you bite the hand that feeds you?

Meanwhile universities like Harvard have so much private money they can publicly tell Trump to shove it. EU universities don't have this privilege so they exercise a degree of self censorship based on how the government tells them to dance.