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raincole ◴[] No.44765945[source]
I have all my respect to Tao.

But I think it's very justified for the federal to do something (not necessarily this thing) against institutions that show racist behaviors. e.g. Little Rock Nine.

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malcolmgreaves ◴[] No.44765959[source]
And no college being defunded right now has shown any racist behaviors whatsoever.

So are you in support of the current defunding?

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1. raincole ◴[] No.44765984[source]
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-07-29/ucla-set...

> The lawsuit, filed more than a year ago, alleged that by not immediately ordering the encampment to be taken down, UCLA provided support to pro-Palestinian activists who “enforced” what it termed a “Jew Exclusion Zone,” prohibiting Jewish students and staff from passing through the camp’s makeshift barricades.

Personally I think this is a textbook racist behavior. Replace "Jewish" with "black" and "Palestinian' with "white" and see if you agree. I personally firmly believe if white activists try to enforce a "Non Black Zone" in the campus, the college administration has a responsibility to take it down and discipline said activists.

I'm not sure if this defunding is justified though, as it seems that UCLA has settled this case and the defunding sounds retrospective.

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2. lordofgibbons ◴[] No.44766018[source]
You can term anything whatever you want, doesn't make it true. The "Jew Exclusion Zone" term was coined by the plaintiff in this case.

A lot of the college protesters are in fact Jewish. This is a fact the pro-Israel propaganda would rather you not know about. Otherwise, how could they claim "antisemitism" whenever you criticize the actions of the foreign country.

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3. trhway ◴[] No.44766032[source]
>pro-Palestinian activists who “enforced” what it termed a “Jew Exclusion Zone,” prohibiting Jewish students and staff from passing through the camp’s makeshift barricades.

for me it looks like not just a civil case with UCLA. To me it looks like a straight criminal case of violation of federal civil rights law that FBI is supposed to prosecute. I.e. instead of collective punishment for the whole UCLA, i'd go with criminal prosecution against the specific individuals who perpetrated (i.e. those protesters who perpetrated the discrimination of Jews) as well as who materially supported (i.e. the administrators for example) those crimes.

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5. davrosthedalek ◴[] No.44766056[source]
To add some more anec-data: I have a couple of Jewish colleagues. Several of them received death threats. This is not acceptable.
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6. spencerflem ◴[] No.44766121[source]
The term was invented by the suers, not the protestors. It’s possible to criticize Israel’s actions without being antisemitic, holocaust scholars call what’s happening there a genocide
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7. ViscountPenguin ◴[] No.44766139[source]
I don't particularly care what the cause is, physically barring students from entering an area of campus is bloody absurd.

And, for the record, I think it's willfully ignorant to pretend that Jews and non-jews are given equal amounts of leeway by all Palestine protesters. While the majority may be doing so in good faith, I've seen far too many people being viewed with suspicion for wearing Jewish traditional headware by supposedly unbiased activists to believe that anti-Semites aren't using the movement to get a free ride.

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8. defrost ◴[] No.44766161{3}[source]
I agree that is unacceptable, however it's unclear whether your colleagues received death threats for supporting Palestine or supporting Israel.
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9. davrosthedalek ◴[] No.44766198{4}[source]
From what I know, some received the death threats because they were Jewish, some because they supported Israel. One of them had the photos of the missing hostages up on the door. They were torn down repeatedly.
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10. defrost ◴[] No.44766221{5}[source]
It's a strongly divisive issue. A number of the protestors on campus were Jewish and upset with the behaviour of factions in Israel. From my reading of material across several countries and various points of view a lot of death threats were thrown about at a great many people spanning all sides of the dispute.
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11. Cyph0n ◴[] No.44766286{3}[source]
Firstly, as others have noted, the claim that these protests were anti-Jewish is used by detractors to denounce the topic of the protests. There is absolutely zero evidence that Jews were targeted or excluded in any way.

Secondly, protests are escalatory by definition. If no one is listening to a protest, and absolutely no one is impacted, it will escalate until people listen.

You can denounce this form of protest - which I would argue is the only form of protest - from a high perch, but when push comes to shove, if it were your cause, you would do the exact same thing.

Look back at history, and you’ll see the same pattern in all high stakes college protests, from anti-war protests to anti-apartheid protests. The fact that you are either unaware or indifferent to this truth means the machine is working as intended.

https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/student-protests-an...

12. hcknwscommenter ◴[] No.44766288[source]
As best as I can tell, the protestors committed a trespass and used their free speech rights to espouse certain racist ideologies. Protesting against alleged (I take no position here, it's complicated is all I got) mistreatment of Palestinians and Gazans is not a crime or anti-Semitic in itself. The administration committed no crime by failing to immediately remove the trespassers. It is reasonable for the administration to have taken some time to assess the issue and develop a plan and execute the plan. It is reasonable to change tactics as new facts arise. It is reasonable to re-assess the situation as the public and government provides their input on the situation. Did the protestors do some gross/racist things? Yes I think. Did they commit a serious crime? Probably not I think. Did the administration? I doubt it.
13. davrosthedalek ◴[] No.44766339{6}[source]
My point is this: I do think that some universities gave the protestors way too much leeway. It clearly created a hostile work environment for some - Jewish, and I grant you also Muslim students. The universities responsibility is to keep that in check, and some failed badly. Some did better.

I also want to add my own observation, which might be biased: There was a clear, sizeable fraction of the protests that was beyond "pro-Palestine / anti-Israel's Palestine policy". There was celebration of Hamas and of the attack, especially in the first days.

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14. coderatlarge ◴[] No.44766472[source]
it is extremely hard to form a reasonable opinion of what is happening in gaza with the current level of vitriol online. i feel i’d have to do a substantial personal research project to see if i can believe the cumulative casualty numbers that are being bandied about. not to mention the numbers about deaths from starvation.

i wish institutions would do the work to publish their sources in a way that is clear complete and verifiable.

i would love to understand what others on hn do day-to-day other than takes cues from media they “trust”.

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15. Fraterkes ◴[] No.44767471{7}[source]
In your opinion, should any university that punishes this alleged celebration of Hamas also crack down on any group or movement that is openly sympathetic towards Netanyahu / far-right factions in Israel? Just trying to figure out what consistent policy we’re meant to follow here.
16. skulk ◴[] No.44767583[source]
Don't you see how one-sided this article is? The language almost exclusively assumes the allegations of antisemitic vitriol while dedicating a single paragraph to a lawyer who provides an opposing viewpoint. This is not a source for someone seeking a description of the situation grounded in reality.
17. spencerflem ◴[] No.44768366{3}[source]
The guardian US does a good job IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/02/gaza-famine-st...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us...

idk what you want, there’s mountains of evidence.

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18. coderatlarge ◴[] No.44773211{4}[source]
thank you for sharing this is helpful
19. coderatlarge ◴[] No.44773242{4}[source]
my wish would be for an article to have a section at the bottom explaining the source of the figures included in the body. for example they mention a number of dead but there’s no word about where it comes from.