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alganet[dead post] ◴[] No.44645032[source]
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toss1 ◴[] No.44646206[source]
>>There seems to be quite a cloud of uncertainty around the vast array of reported possible symptoms.

Just because it is a "cloud of uncertainty" to you does not mean it is to people actually studying the phenomenon.

Multiple studies are already identifying scores of biomarkers correlated with Long COVID, e.g., "Identified from 28 studies and representing six biological classifications, 113 biomarkers were significantly associated with long COVID"[0]. The same type of phenomenon happened with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, now identified as "Myalgic encephalomyelitis" where patients were long disregarded as simply having psychological problems, and the same with many auto-immune disorders. These can all be discovered with a sub-30second DDG search.

Yes, the democracies of the world are under assault from right-wing or authoritarian movements and this is dramatically increasing uncertainty, worry, and indeed harm for everyone. But before you start dismissing disease processes as caused by social psychologies and causing more harm to those already suffering, perhaps search for more concrete causes first.

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36744129/

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alganet ◴[] No.44646352[source]
It seems you misread my comment profoundly. I never dismissed any actual biological causes.

It's ok, lots of people do this mistake. A more critical look would notice that I was only questioning aspects of the phenomena that are currently unexplained. In the long run, your pick for how to respond would sound rushed and desperate.

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1. toss1 ◴[] No.44648065[source]
>>I was only questioning aspects of the phenomena that are currently unexplained

Right. The "God In The Gaps". Again. The refuge of those who lack an actual explanation. If that is what you meant, you should have explicitly stated it instead of requiring everyone to take "A more critical look [to] notice"

As I said before, there IS definitely a phenomena as the free world is under attack. But trying to bootstrap that into something much larger doesn't cut it. You protest too much; you'd have been better off just taking the lesson by itself. We all make errors

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2. alganet ◴[] No.44653037[source]
I don't quite understand your point. What is this "God In The Gaps" thing you mention?
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3. toss1 ◴[] No.44653738[source]
"'God of the gaps' is a theological concept that emerged in the 19th century, and revolves around the idea that gaps in scientific understanding are regarded as indications of the existence of God."[0]

In this case, the analogy I'm making was to illustrate how you were trying to re-fit your original comment into the gaps in knowledge about the clusters of symptoms.

Unsolicited advice worth less than you paid for it: It was not an awful initial concept, but it was neither well thought-through nor well-presented. We all make mistakes like that, just posting an initial thought, but as you can see, that occasionally goes awry, and in those cases it's best to just take the L and move on. Be well

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

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4. alganet ◴[] No.44653979{3}[source]
> It was not an awful initial concept, but it was neither well thought-through nor well-presented.

I am looking forward to discussing such matters with people that are less compelled to observe style before content.

I don't have the time or the luxury to wear fancy clothes, that's why I'm here on hacker news, which is supposed to be a place that does not require them.

I do understand where you're coming from though.