Death by AI

I really wish Google had some kind of global “I don’t want any identifiably AI-generated content hitting my retinas, ever” checkbox.

Too much to ask, surely.

You hear a faint whisper from the alleyway: you should try Kagi.

I know it's the HN darling and is probably talked about too much already but it doesn't have this problem. The only AI stuff is if you specifically ask for it which in your case would be never. And unlike Google where you are at the whims of the algorithm you can punish (or just block) AI garbage sites that SEO their way into the organic results. And a global toggle to block AI images.

That'd be a bit like expecting Five Guys to cook you something vegetarian. Google are an AI company at this point. If you don't want AI touching your "food", use a search engine not run by an AI company.

That's just Google Maps being Google Maps, as anyone who has used them since 2005 can tell you.

I can see a bright future in blaming things on AI that have nothing to do with AI, at least on here.

You can append -ai to your searches to omit AI Overview replies. It's not enough but it's something.

If they just put a checkbox by the search bar that keeps state, I wonder what percent would uncheck it.

Well my dog died and that never happened before AI.

It’s called kagi.com

Tangential but I just went to Kagi.com to check their pricing and I was astonished to see that:

- The "Monthly" option is selected by default.

- If you click "Yearly", it tells you the actual full yearly price without dividing it by 12.

That's so rare and refreshing that I'm tempted to sign up just out of respect.

Pretty big fan of Five Guys fries if I do say myself.

Just add "fucking" to the end of your query and that works too.

Also a “don’t spread AI generated lies about my business” would be good.

A few libel lawsuits ought to do, no?

I think it has to be an intentional lie and intended to harm, in the US at least (but don’t trust me on that!). If nothing else it would be interesting to see how it goes!

In 2005 or 2006 google maps gave me directions that would have gotten me a ticket (I know because I'd previously gotten a ticket by accidentally taking the same route). I emailed. A human responded back and thanked me, and they corrected the behavior.

Many things have changed since then.

and if you stop using it for a little while they just paused your account automatically.

The road outside my house was widened into a highway more than five years ago. To this day, Google Maps still asks me to take detours that were only active during construction. I have reported this ad nauseum. Nothing. It also keeps telling me to turn from the service lanes onto the highway at points that only pedestrians walk across. More than once, it's asked me to take illegal turns or go the wrong way up a one way street (probably because people on motorbikes go that).

Whatever method they use to update their data is broken, or they do not care about countries our size enough to make sure it is reasonably correct and up-to-date.

vegetable oil? You sure?

as a general rule I think, given the stronger requirements about defamation (because of freedom of speech), that this is not the way to go.

https://medium.com/luminasticity/argument-ai-and-defamation-...

Five Guys will happily serve you a veggie sandwich or a grilled cheese, with a side of fries cooked in peanut oil.

They use peanut oil for their fries.

OK fair enough. Those Five guys have outwitted me again!!

Unfortunately Kagi partners with Yandex https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Yandex, the only search engine that doesn't censor searches for torrents.

Sounds 100 percent like a government issue? Local gov just forgot to update whatever maps/data source of truth that they publish publicly?

Sounds like you need to report it at your municipality or whatever local gov is responsible for keeping their GIS up to date.

The AI summaries are what made me switch. I don't love the idea of using Google products for all the obvious reasons, but they had good UX so that's what I kept using. Enter the AI summaries which made Google search unusable for me, and I was more than happy to pay Kagi

Kagi is nice but it just seems so expensive for what it is. I get that search that actually shows me what I want is expensive but I would want to use this as a family plan and I think we would go through the lower paid tiers pretty quickly.

I think you'd be surprised at how many users don't click on any settings whatsoever regardless of what they do.

https://udm14.com/ (google search with ?udm=14)

I just wanted to drop in and thank you for posting this. I'd never heard of it, and seeing a plain page of actual web results was almost a visceral relief from irritation I wasn't even aware of.

You should try youtube logged out. Really.

Don't use Google

Other countries have stricter libel laws and willful disregard of the truth is often enough for it to be libel.

That's interesting, and they may have different "lines" into the "map change" department; I reported both a previous residence and previous work location (in Downtown Atlanta, yet!) both having their google map "pins" in the wrong spot, and both were fixed within a week.

Curious what the situation is that would have given you a ticket for taking a particular route; was it a legal "no through traffic" or going the wrong way down a 1-way street?

How does the police force distinguish between a map route and people randomly bumbling there? Were there signs that were ignored?

That is just a black screen and a search bar.

https://imgur.com/a/VFoWEmN

Just stop using Google.

Whoa. That’s amazing!

I'll take the lesser evil over the greater. The main concern I'm aware of is that Yandex kills people. Google kills more people than Yandex, by whichever metric you use, so I'll take the lesser evil.is the lesser evil here.

The other concern I saw is that they might deliver pro-Russia propaganda. If that happens, I'll trust Kagi to firewall them appropriately. Google also intentionally delivers geopolitical propaganda.

I've been using kagi maybe a year now, and it is great. I know it is great because every so often I jump on someone else's computer for a task and have to search so.ething and I'm completely overwhelemed by what comes up.

Maybe it is, but does Google actually get data from government maps? Isn't it mostly satellite data + machine learning from people's movement by tracking phones?

It would have come in handy yesterday. Entire webpage full of 'dynamically generated content'. The issue was not the content. The issue was that whoever prepared it, did not consider failing gracefully so when the prompt failed, it just showed raw prompt as opposed to the information it could not locate.

But I suppose that is better than outright making stuff up.

Customers get to ask for things. You aren't the customer.

WTF? Thanks for the notice.

In Herndon, VA near dulles airport there is a toll road that extends into DC. However, if you enter the toll road from the airport you get into special divided lanes that are toll-free for traffic to/from the airport. (Or at least there was two decades ago)

I got a ticket that way once when I was visiting because I only knew how to get back to my hotel from the airport so I drove to the airport then to the hotel-- and I guess the police watch for people looping through the airport to avoid the tolls. In my case I wasn't aware of the weird toll/no-toll thing-- I was just lost and more concerned with finding my hotel than the posted 'no through traffic' signs.

Later, after moving to VA, I noticed google maps was explicitly routing trips from near the airport to other places to take a loop through the airport to minimize toll costs which would have been quite clever if it weren't prohibited.

Right, now search for anything and let the AI slop flow in. Youtube is like the Pacific gyre of AI slop. Make sure the ad blockers are off, enjoy the raw beauty of the modern internet.

haha, wow. I've only driven THROUGH VA a few times and had a sphincter pucker almost the entire way just because of reputation. That's nuts.

No, they didn't. You just didn't do the homework. I don't blame you, this is pervasive on the internet, regardless of hn karma score.