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LLM Inevitabilism

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lsy ◴[] No.44568114[source]
I think two things can be true simultaneously:

1. LLMs are a new technology and it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle with that. It's difficult to imagine a future where they don't continue to exist in some form, with all the timesaving benefits and social issues that come with them.

2. Almost three years in, companies investing in LLMs have not yet discovered a business model that justifies the massive expenditure of training and hosting them, the majority of consumer usage is at the free tier, the industry is seeing the first signs of pulling back investments, and model capabilities are plateauing at a level where most people agree that the output is trite and unpleasant to consume.

There are many technologies that have seemed inevitable and seen retreats under the lack of commensurate business return (the supersonic jetliner), and several that seemed poised to displace both old tech and labor but have settled into specific use cases (the microwave oven). Given the lack of a sufficiently profitable business model, it feels as likely as not that LLMs settle somewhere a little less remarkable, and hopefully less annoying, than today's almost universally disliked attempts to cram it everywhere.

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brokencode ◴[] No.44572627[source]
> “most people agree that the output is trite and unpleasant to consume”

That is a such a wild claim. People like the output of LLMs so much that ChatGPT is the fastest growing app ever. It and other AI apps like Perplexity are now beginning to challenge Google’s search dominance.

Sure, probably not a lot of people would go out and buy a novel or collection of poetry written by ChatGPT. But that doesn’t mean the output is unpleasant to consume. It pretty undeniably produces clear and readable summaries and explanations.

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ants_everywhere ◴[] No.44573208[source]
> That is a such a wild claim.

Some people who hate LLMs are absolutely convinced everyone else hates them. I've talked with a few of them.

I think it's a form of filter bubble.

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1. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.44573910[source]
This isn't some niche outcry: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2024/03/19/is-the-p...

And that was 18 months ago.

Yes, believe it or not, people eventually wake up and realize slop is slop. But like everything else with LLM development, tech is trying to brute force it on people anyway.

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2. elictronic ◴[] No.44574228[source]
You posted an article about investors trust in AI companies to deliver and societies strong distrust of large corporations.

You article isn’t making the point you seem to think it is.

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3. brokencode ◴[] No.44577334[source]
Yup, any day now people will suddenly realize that LLMs suck and you were right all along. Any day now..
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4. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.44577667[source]
Yup, I can wait a while. Took some 7-8 years for people to turn on Facebook.
5. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.44577680[source]
What point do you think it means? Seems pretty clear to me.

1. Investors are pushing a lot of hype

2. People are not trusting the hype.

Hence why people's trust in LLM's are waning.

6. const_cast ◴[] No.44578752[source]
It's not that LLMs are bad, they're very useful. It's that the media they produce is, in fact, slop.

I want to watch Breaking Bad, not AI generated YouTube shorts. I want to listen to "On the Radio" by Donna Summer, not some Spotify generated piano solo. I want to read a high quality blog post about tech with a unique perspective, not an LLM summary of said blog post that removes all the charm.

The gap in quality, when it comes to entertainment, is truly astronomical. I mean, it's not even kind of close. I would expect literal children to produce content - after all, Mozart was a prodigy.