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LLM Inevitabilism

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lsy ◴[] No.44568114[source]
I think two things can be true simultaneously:

1. LLMs are a new technology and it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle with that. It's difficult to imagine a future where they don't continue to exist in some form, with all the timesaving benefits and social issues that come with them.

2. Almost three years in, companies investing in LLMs have not yet discovered a business model that justifies the massive expenditure of training and hosting them, the majority of consumer usage is at the free tier, the industry is seeing the first signs of pulling back investments, and model capabilities are plateauing at a level where most people agree that the output is trite and unpleasant to consume.

There are many technologies that have seemed inevitable and seen retreats under the lack of commensurate business return (the supersonic jetliner), and several that seemed poised to displace both old tech and labor but have settled into specific use cases (the microwave oven). Given the lack of a sufficiently profitable business model, it feels as likely as not that LLMs settle somewhere a little less remarkable, and hopefully less annoying, than today's almost universally disliked attempts to cram it everywhere.

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brokencode ◴[] No.44572627[source]
> “most people agree that the output is trite and unpleasant to consume”

That is a such a wild claim. People like the output of LLMs so much that ChatGPT is the fastest growing app ever. It and other AI apps like Perplexity are now beginning to challenge Google’s search dominance.

Sure, probably not a lot of people would go out and buy a novel or collection of poetry written by ChatGPT. But that doesn’t mean the output is unpleasant to consume. It pretty undeniably produces clear and readable summaries and explanations.

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1. hattmall ◴[] No.44572809[source]
I'm not really countering that ChatGPT is popular, it certainly is, but it's also sort of like "fastest growing tire brand" that came along with the adoption of vehicles. The amount of smartphone users is also growing at the fastest rate ever so whatever the new most popular app is has a good chance of being the fastest growing app ever.
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2. doctorpangloss ◴[] No.44574360[source]
No… dude… it’s a new household name. We haven’t had those in software for a long time, maybe since TikTok and Fortnite.
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3. matthewdgreen ◴[] No.44575533[source]
Lots of things had household recognition. Do you fondly remember the Snuggie? The question is whether it'll be durable. The lack of network effects is one reason to be skeptical.
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4. doctorpangloss ◴[] No.44578682{3}[source]
Lack of network effects... It's the biggest thing ever! Everyone is talking about it, all the time, nonstop! How is that not a network? Network effects do not exclusively mean multiplayer software, communications or social media. And anyway, it is almost certainly all three of these things, because content is being made (and often consumed) by ChatGPT in every digital network there is.

Anyway, I don't think it's possible in this forum to have a conversation about it, if "ChatGPT is humongous" is a controversial, downvotable POV.

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5. hattmall ◴[] No.44578725{4}[source]
I don't know if you are joking or not, but people were talking about ChatGPT non-stop in like March of 2023 in my social group. Now it's far less frequently mentioned, basically never. In fact mostly if it is, it's in some form of a sarcastic joke or reply.