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xandrius ◴[] No.44571816[source]
Shouldn't surprise absolutely nobody, once you become the gatekeeper of the Internet, you're going to gatekeep.

Now it's torrent sites and next it's going to be other things the party in charge doesn't like.

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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.44571870[source]
About a decade ago, there were proposals for a "driver's license for the internet."

Nowadays... I actually think it might be a lesser evil. Picture such an ID, if there were a standard for it, enrolled into your computer.

If it were properly built, your computer could provide proof of age, identity, or other verified attributes on approval. The ID could also have micro-transaction support, for allowing convenient pay-as-you-go 10 cents per article instead of paywalls, advertising, and subscriptions everywhere. Websites could just block all non-human traffic; awfully convenient in this era of growing spam, malware, AI slop, revenge porn, etc. Website operators, such as those of small forums, would have far less moderation and abuse prevention overhead.

Theoretically, it would also massively improve cybersecurity, if websites didn't actually need your credit card number and unique identity anymore. Theoretically, if it was tied to your ID, it's like Privacy.com but for every website; much lower transaction friction but much higher security.

I think that's the future at this rate. The only question is who decides how it is implemented.

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1. rendx ◴[] No.44572073[source]
German national ID has this built-in; you can cryptographically prove that you are currently in possession of an ID (and its PIN) over a certain age, for example, without revealing your date of birth. It's just not in widespread use.
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2. thmsths ◴[] No.44572158[source]
Thank you for sharing this. I have been frustrated about the lack of chip and pin for IDs for years. We have had digital IDs in the form of debit/credit card since the 90s, and yet the governments have been agonizingly slow to adopt this (at least to me) painfully obvious idea. So good job Germany!
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3. Sophira ◴[] No.44572481[source]
Chip and PIN is almost how electronic passports already work - it's just that the 'PIN' is printed in the passport itself, so in order for anybody to communicate with the chip, it has to see the page which has it printed in order to scan for it first.
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4. BobaFloutist ◴[] No.44572806{3}[source]
CA DMV app lets me add my driver's license to my mobile wallet (which works with NFC).

Of course, it doesn't eliminate my legal responsibility to carry my driver's license while driving, and while the printed piece of plastic lasts five years and my passport booklet is legal I.D. for 10 years at a time, the mobile driver's license needs to be updated every 30 days.

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5. KoolKat23 ◴[] No.44576524{4}[source]
Why have the digital version of you need the plastic copy still?
6. numpad0 ◴[] No.44583511[source]
The problem is national security consequences of it. Handing out nation-backed ID card tied to secure identity undermines sovereignty of the nation, because it means Walmart and likes can (illegally) exert political influence by silently or openly classing and discriminating you.

It is important that personal ID is only transparent and spoof-proof to legitimate government the individual identifies with, and that soft ID databases that private entities may build have limitations in its completeness.

That's not trivial to do right, especially through bureaucratic government processes.