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xandrius ◴[] No.44571816[source]
Shouldn't surprise absolutely nobody, once you become the gatekeeper of the Internet, you're going to gatekeep.

Now it's torrent sites and next it's going to be other things the party in charge doesn't like.

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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.44571870[source]
About a decade ago, there were proposals for a "driver's license for the internet."

Nowadays... I actually think it might be a lesser evil. Picture such an ID, if there were a standard for it, enrolled into your computer.

If it were properly built, your computer could provide proof of age, identity, or other verified attributes on approval. The ID could also have micro-transaction support, for allowing convenient pay-as-you-go 10 cents per article instead of paywalls, advertising, and subscriptions everywhere. Websites could just block all non-human traffic; awfully convenient in this era of growing spam, malware, AI slop, revenge porn, etc. Website operators, such as those of small forums, would have far less moderation and abuse prevention overhead.

Theoretically, it would also massively improve cybersecurity, if websites didn't actually need your credit card number and unique identity anymore. Theoretically, if it was tied to your ID, it's like Privacy.com but for every website; much lower transaction friction but much higher security.

I think that's the future at this rate. The only question is who decides how it is implemented.

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dingnuts ◴[] No.44571987[source]
oh good, and your authoritarian government can know you're in the closet and trying to figure out how to leave the country, too!

no, fuck this idea so hard. if this is inevitable, our duty is to build technology that defeats it

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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.44571992[source]
Local ID Proofs =/= Surveillance
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dingnuts ◴[] No.44572032[source]
it absolutely will mean surveillance, unless you were born yesterday. governments will implement what you're describing in a way that is not privacy preserving

this is supposed to be HACKER news, not fucking bootlicker news

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1. gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.44572056{3}[source]
Yes, and we're losing. Why do you think the internet is covered in ads, 25% Cloudflare, infested with CAPTCHAs and IP blocking, and the problem gets worse every year?

There are real problems that haven't been fixed; the driver's license concept correctly implemented might be better than continuing down this path. I view it as we can make a good standard; or let a bad standard be dictated.

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2. dingnuts ◴[] No.44572681[source]
> Yes, and we're losing. Why do you think

Obviously. Why do YOU think I'm angry-posting about it on the orange shithole site with the username "dingnuts" ?

3. ipaddr ◴[] No.44572881[source]
The drivers license id doesn't solve anything but adds a layer of nonsense on top.

That doesn't stop cloudflares marketshare takeover. It doesn't stop CAPTCHA which will filter out bots using these ids. It provides an easy method for hackers to use. It filters out the curious kids.

In the end it solves nothing and creates more problems.

4. int_19h ◴[] No.44573118[source]
Most ads that I see these days are from Big Tech megacorps. Do you seriously think that having a "driver license for the Internet" would mean that the likes of Google and Meta would stop?
5. hombre_fatal ◴[] No.44573789[source]
Those are trivial problems compared to an internet linked to your identity.

Clicking through some captchas and installing an adblocker just isn't the hard life you're trying to claim it is.

6. immibis ◴[] No.44575286[source]
At least in the current system, there are some websites where you don't have to prove your real identity. Hacker News, for example.

In an internet driver's license system, remember that your computer would have to be locked down, and only able to access government-approved websites using government-approved clients - something like they have in China, or like using an iPhone but worse.

Once the ability for any site to verify your identity was set up, all sites would have to verify your identity, or lose their own verification, under one of many standard excuses like protecting the children.