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LLM Inevitabilism

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mg ◴[] No.44568158[source]
In the 90s a friend told me about the internet. And that he knows someone who is in a university and has access to it and can show us. An hour later, we were sitting in front of a computer in that university and watched his friend surfing the web. Clicking on links, receiving pages of text. Faster than one could read. In a nice layout. Even with images. And links to other pages. We were shocked. No printing, no shipping, no waiting. This was the future. It was inevitable.

Yesterday I wanted to rewrite a program to use a large library that would have required me to dive deep down into the documentation or read its code to tackle my use case. As a first try, I just copy+pasted the whole library and my whole program into GPT 4.1 and told it to rewrite it using the library. It succeeded at the first attempt. The rewrite itself was small enough that I could read all code changes in 15 minutes and make a few stylistic changes. Done. Hours of time saved. This is the future. It is inevitable.

PS: Most replies seem to compare my experience to experiences that the responders have with agentic coding, where the developer is iteratively changing the code by chatting with an LLM. I am not doing that. I use a "One prompt one file. No code edits." approach, which I describe here:

https://www.gibney.org/prompt_coding

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AndyKelley ◴[] No.44568699[source]
You speak with a passive voice, as if the future is something that happens to you, rather than something that you participate in.
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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.44568811[source]
They are not wrong.

The market, meant in a general sense, is stronger than any individual or groups of people. LLMs are here, and already demonstrate enough productive value to make them in high demand for objective reasons (vs. just as a speculation vehicle). They're not going away, nor is larger GenAI. It would take a collapse of technological civilization to turn the tide back now.

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suddenlybananas ◴[] No.44568847[source]
The market is a group of people.
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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.44568916[source]
Indeed. Here, a very large one. Now, focus on the dynamics of that group to see my point.

Or much more elaborately, but also exhaustively and to the point: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/.

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suddenlybananas ◴[] No.44569344[source]
I'm not going to read that hack, but in either case, the metaphysical monster of the market you're proposing is not what is propping up LLMs. It's the decisions of actors at major tech companies and VCs. These are people, not magical entities. And even still, LLMs aren't profitable.
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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.44569424[source]
> I'm not going to read that hack, but in either case, the metaphysical monster of the market you're proposing is not what is propping up LLMs. It's the decisions of actors at major tech companies and VCs. These are people, not magical entities.

Your loss. The article is actually talking about the thing you're saying. And so am I. These are all people, not magical entities, and that is exactly why the near-term future of "AI being the new electricity" is inevitable (short of a total collapse of civilization).

The article spells out the causal mechanism 20 different ways, so I still recommend reading it if the dynamics are not blindingly apparent to you yet.

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1. walleeee ◴[] No.44569680[source]
It can simultaneously be true that people in these positions have less agency than most other people assume, and more than they themselves might think.

Another reply mentions that Bezos can't imagine anything different. If that is so (I am not unwilling to believe a certain lack of imagination tends to exist or emerge in extremely ambitious/successful people) then it's a personal failing, not an inevitable condition of his station, regardless of how much or little agency the enormous machine he sits on top of permits him to wield personally. He certainly doesn't have zero as the commenter claims.

FWIW I have read Scott's article and have tried to convince people of the agency of moloch on this site before. But the fact that impersonal systems have agency doesn't mean you suddenly turn into a human iron filing and lose all your self-direction. It might be convenient for some people to claim this is why they can do no different, and then you need to ask who benefits.