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    Kiro: A new agentic IDE

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    1013 points QuinnyPig | 17 comments | 14 Jul 25 14:24 UTC | HN request time: 1.488s | source | bottom
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    suralind ◴[14 Jul 25 15:39 UTC] No.44561441[source]▶
    Here my problem with this: I don't want to be jumping an editor/IDE every 6 months, learning new key bindings and even more importantly, getting used to a completely new look.

    In a space that moves as quickly as "AI" does, it is inevitable that a better and cheaper solution will pop up at some point. We kinda already see it with Cursor and Windsurf. I guess Claude Code is all the rage now and I personally think CLI/TUI is the way to go for anyone that has a similar view.

    That said, I'm sure there's a very big user base (probably bigger than terminal group) that will enjoy using this and other GUI apps.

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    1. bryanlarsen ◴[14 Jul 25 15:45 UTC] No.44561512[source]▶
    They're all based vscode, so the switching costs are fairly minimal? It'll get worse over time as they diverge, but at the moment they're all fairly similar AFAICT. It's starting to become noticeable that Cursor isn't picking up VSCode enhancements and fixes, but it's still quite minor.
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    2. suralind ◴[14 Jul 25 15:49 UTC] No.44561593[source]▶
    Not really, even at work I got to test couple different AI solutions and the experience is always slightly different, even if the editor is the same, for the most part. It's the tiny things like using the prompt template, or opening the panel. (I could, of course, make an attempt to customize the keybindings, but why bother when it changes so quickly.)
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    3. guluarte ◴[14 Jul 25 15:51 UTC] No.44561605[source]▶
    only if you use vscode, I think TUIs are a better option since a lot of us use other ides than vscode
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    4. theturtletalks ◴[14 Jul 25 16:13 UTC] No.44561856[source]▶
    Seems like Amazon started making this when Cursor was hot in the market, but now that CLI agents like Claude Code are taking over, Kiro will have an uphill battle.

    It’s also not free or unlimited (though throttled) like Cursor and Claude Code using max plan.

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    5. rob ◴[14 Jul 25 16:59 UTC] No.44562453{3}[source]▶
    I think IDE-based tools like Cursor, VS Code, etc, will win out in the long term, especially as the younger generation grows up.

    In the short term though, I think CLI-based tools like Claude Code are taking off because hardcore developers see them as the last "vestige" they have in separating themselves from the "noobs." They know there's still a good portion of the public who don't know how to use the terminal, install packages, or even know what Linux is.

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    6. placardloop ◴[14 Jul 25 17:48 UTC] No.44563088{3}[source]▶
    Which is kind of ironic since the Amazon Q Developer CLI (which is essentially Claude Code with a slightly different wrapper) was released long before Claude Code and seems to mostly be flying under the radar.
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    7. scarface_74 ◴[14 Jul 25 18:01 UTC] No.44563246[source]▶
    The entire idea that “I’m too cool to use an IDE” I find kind of dumb. I was using a Turbo C IDE in college in 1994, Visual Studio until 2019 and since then VSCode.
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    8. guluarte ◴[14 Jul 25 18:01 UTC] No.44563247{4}[source]▶
    I think what is going to win is a tool independent to your ide to run your agents, it could be a cli or a gui.
    9. theturtletalks ◴[14 Jul 25 18:07 UTC] No.44563331{4}[source]▶
    Claude Code really was at the right place at the right time. Cursor started putting new models under their MAX plan that charges per use and I started getting worse results with Cursor over time as they optimized costs. I started looking into Cline/RooCode when Cursor did this because I knew they were in the squeezing customers stage now. I used those for a while with Sonnet thru OpenRouter, but Anthropic had the genius plan of bundling Claude Code with their Max plan. That made a lot of users jump ship from Cursor and the difference is night and day for me. Yes I pay 5 times more than I did with cursor, but still less than using API credits and the results for me have been superior.
    10. retinaros ◴[14 Jul 25 19:46 UTC] No.44564480{4}[source]▶
    You dreaming. The ui is gonna be like google for code. A voice chat and an instruction/search bar that is it. The model is the product
    11. Oreb ◴[14 Jul 25 20:34 UTC] No.44564940{3}[source]▶
    I don’t think “I’m too cool to use an IDE” was the point being made. The point is that having to switch IDEs every time the number one AI coding tool changes would be annoying.
    12. ImaCake ◴[14 Jul 25 21:17 UTC] No.44565444[source]▶
    I just use VSCode with copilot and don't worry about these re-skins. I don't get a lot of time to write code so I certainly don't have time to learn a new IDE for a small boost to my productivity when vscode gets me most of the way already.

    If these re-skinned vscode IDEs have any good ideas I'm sure Microsoft will steal them anyway.

    13. lxgr ◴[15 Jul 25 03:28 UTC] No.44567604[source]▶
    Them all being based on VS Code makes it all the more frustrating to have to switch IDEs to use them.
    14. nsonha ◴[15 Jul 25 15:09 UTC] No.44571962{4}[source]▶
    Claude Code is what it is because of Claude, TUI or not isn't really the point. What makes IDEs lose to TUIs is that the agentic models can really do more than coding and is evolving toward a hands-off kind of workflow. A clunky IDE is too much for that, but TUI is not the way either. When has TUI ever been mainstream?

    Agentic tools of the future will be rich notebook/chat interface that's available in all form factors, which is to say, most likely web/cross platform apps.

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    15. yencabulator ◴[15 Jul 25 17:15 UTC] No.44573517{5}[source]▶
    You can have an agent loop in your IDE, I don't see why anything makes "IDEs lose to TUIs" there.

    If anything, TUIs are the awkward in-between of "human in the loop, but with poor tools" where one side is fully automatic, agents suggesting fixes on issue tracker, and the other is holding-AI's-hand where you review every step one at a time.

    I hate trying to copy paste in/out of Claude Code's unnecessarily-cute boxed text input.

    Zed's implementation of the agent feedback loop isn't yet as good as Claude Code, but there's nothing inherently IDE-related in the parts that are lacking.

    https://zed.dev/docs/ai/agent-panel

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    17. nsonha ◴[16 Jul 25 02:10 UTC] No.44578023{6}[source]▶
    I use the TUI for a lot of agentic stuff that is not necessarily coding, from performing some cloud management commands or just dumb things like "where the hell did I alias vim to nvim?". For those things, having to reach out to the IDE is annoying.

    And the way I see the future of coding is that should should be able to code from anywhere, mobile, web, your computer. You already have your code on the cloud (most of the time). Neither TUI or IDE works well currently for that.