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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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693 points macawfish | 3 comments | 12 Jul 25 18:14 UTC | HN request time: 0.419s | source
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al_borland ◴[12 Jul 25 18:53 UTC] No.44544145[source]▶
All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID?

If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and websites shouldn’t want to shoulder the responsibility for it.

It seems like this could work much like Apple Pay, just without the payment. A prompt comes up, I use some biometric authentication on my phone, and it sends a signal to the browser that I’m 18+. Apple has been adding state IDs into the Wallet, this seems like it could fall right in line. The same thing could be used for buying alcohol at U-Scan checkout.

People should also be able to set their browser/computer to auto-send this for single-user devices, where it is all transparent to the user. I don’t have kids and no one else’s uses my devices. Why should I need to jump through hoops?

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gxs ◴[12 Jul 25 19:00 UTC] No.44544209[source]▶
There was a thread on reddit asking the other day what about the modern world bothers you the most

I actually considered this question and after thinking about it, despite everything going on, I think it boils down to lack of privacy as my biggest gripe in the modern world

It’s such a tough concept to explain to the if you don’t have anything to hide crowd, but if someone wants to disappear, I don’t care if for good or bad reasons, they should be able to

If you don’t want the government on you, if you don’t want people you know to find you, if you just want to reinvent yourself, it doesn’t matter why - you should be able to do this. It just “feels” like an innate right. Normally I don’t like to argue using “vibes” as justification, but this to me is just part of my value system/morals which is inherently arbitrary to begin with

Encroaching on this privacy encroaches on a bunch of other rights, like free speech as you’ve mentioned

The fact that this is the case makes it even clearer to me that privacy is a basic fundamental primitive

Would love to hear alternative perspectives and other justifications for or against privacy

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olddustytrail ◴[12 Jul 25 19:07 UTC] No.44544278[source]▶
That's literally what EU privacy laws are about and guess what...

Anti government folk from the USA hated them and decided they were government overreach.

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rdm_blackhole ◴[12 Jul 25 19:37 UTC] No.44544505[source]▶
Please, the EU is trying to ban encryption at this very moment, to say the that EU is pro privacy is a bit of a joke really.

Privacy from companies maybe, privacy from governments and cops, certainly not.

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1. delusional ◴[12 Jul 25 23:48 UTC] No.44546230[source]▶
> privacy from governments and cops

It is very much not clear to me that you should have privacy from governments or cops. Aren't the whole point of the government and cops that they are the institutions we have created to entrust with this access?

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2. rdm_blackhole ◴[13 Jul 25 04:34 UTC] No.44547542[source]▶
Please feel free to set up a spyware on your phone that records every image you send, every text and email you write and saves all this data somewhere that you will never have access to and for an indefinite amount of time.

That is exactly what the EU is trying to do with the Chat Control law. Targeted law enforcement access to some data is not what is being discussed here.

We are talking about 24/7/365 mass surveillance without warrants and without the suspicion of any crime committed.

3. int_19h ◴[14 Jul 25 19:24 UTC] No.44564240[source]▶
Given that Europe specifically has a very sordid history with the use of data collected by government to genocide literally millions of people, no, I don't think it can be entrusted with such access.