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scoofy[dead post] ◴[] No.44545446[source]
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Fraterkes ◴[] No.44545597[source]
Is "this was restricted for centuries" a moral rule of thumb you use consistently? What's your opinion about gay rights, woman's suffrage?
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1. scoofy ◴[] No.44545640[source]
I’m a liberal. I generally agree with the principle, not the premise.

My point again is that these “rights” you’re talking about are built on our social contract. There is no premise that “porn is free speech,” in fact, quite the opposite, again, for centuries.

The existence of porn on the internet was the result of legislation, not right. That legislation is changing, we need to organize to make sure it remains legal.

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2. Fraterkes ◴[] No.44549653[source]
I don’t think you’ve argued your point very clearly: the examples I listed have also only been part of our social contract for a very short time (and are routinely under fire by the same people trying to ban porn). Also: people have distributed some version of porn for centuries (millenia?).
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3. scoofy ◴[] No.44551369[source]
Distribution of pornography to minors has almost always been illegal during that time.

My photos only, go back to the 80s and you can buy porn, but not if you are a kid. Obviously it was a lot easier to enforce because it was physical media, but the principle here is that these laws were not unconstitutional.

I honestly think kids seeing porn is no big deal, but again, the folks in this thread comparing distribution of pornography to free speech are really, really reaching for something that just isn’t there. All of the precedents say pornography is not free speech.

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4. Fraterkes ◴[] No.44551811{3}[source]
It’s hard for me to square you finding kids seeing porn no big deal, with what you wrote in your original comment. But I see it’s been flagged and I think we’re probably just kindof talking past each other. So nevermind
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5. scoofy ◴[] No.44552170{4}[source]
I can want something to be legal without insisting it’s a human right. All the courts did here was say “no you don’t have a right to distribute pornographic material without age verification.” After which, it becomes an issue for the legislature, and we all culturally decide, together, what’s legal and what’s not.

I can say “I think kids seeing porn is no big deal” without insisting that pornographic speech is protected speech (which I don’t think is true).

I’m really confused as to why it’s not clear, but oh well, I’m just trying my best.

-note: “my photos only” in the previous post was an autocorrect typo.