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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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693 points macawfish | 2 comments | 12 Jul 25 18:14 UTC | HN request time: 0.438s | source
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al_borland ◴[12 Jul 25 18:53 UTC] No.44544145[source]▶
All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID?

If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and websites shouldn’t want to shoulder the responsibility for it.

It seems like this could work much like Apple Pay, just without the payment. A prompt comes up, I use some biometric authentication on my phone, and it sends a signal to the browser that I’m 18+. Apple has been adding state IDs into the Wallet, this seems like it could fall right in line. The same thing could be used for buying alcohol at U-Scan checkout.

People should also be able to set their browser/computer to auto-send this for single-user devices, where it is all transparent to the user. I don’t have kids and no one else’s uses my devices. Why should I need to jump through hoops?

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Eavolution ◴[12 Jul 25 20:32 UTC] No.44544926[source]▶
I am never providing my ID to anyone who can store it indefinitely. I am an adult and have no problem showing it in a shop if required as it isn't stored. Unless it can be proven it wont be stored (i.e. the bytes are never sent from my laptop) I will not provide it.
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ivan_gammel ◴[12 Jul 25 21:00 UTC] No.44545123[source]▶
Your ID is effectively stored by the issuer indefinitely. What’s the difference between one and two entities? What’s the difference between two and a hundred?
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1. andrepd ◴[12 Jul 25 21:59 UTC] No.44545554[source]▶
What's the difference between a state agency issuing a document, and sending that document to 100 random websites. This is your question, correct?
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2. ivan_gammel ◴[13 Jul 25 08:46 UTC] No.44548652[source]▶
That’s a strange assumption. ID verification is part of entering the contractual relationship in many parts of this world, it’s absolutely normal thing. You don’t show your ID to random sites, only to those where you want to become a customer. If you don’t want to sign the contract, you don’t show your ID. I don’t know how many places have a copy of my passport (many hotels, for sure) and I don’t care as long as they are compliant with the laws. Tracking via ID is economically much less effective, since most websites won’t require ID verification anyway, so the biggest concern should be identity theft - but there having a copy of your ID is rarely enough in countries with developed government ID infrastructure. E.g. in Germany you must present original ID to open a bank account or change your residence address. In countries with digital IDs and government services identity theft often goes via easier routes by hijacking digital ID accounts.