Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

You bypass it by installing Firefox.

Firefox is awful. Both as a browser itself and as a base for other browsers. Such a shame that Zen didn't use Chromium :(

Weird, Firefox blows Chrome out of the water. What do you smoke?

Your comment is pretty meaningless without more specifics.

I switched to Firefox again back in 2017, I have 0 issues with it. If anything it's faster and less resources hungry than chrome in my usage. The extension ecosystem is now arguably better with MV3 being rolled out to chrome.

Probably the only annoying thing was learning where the buttons are in the devtools. They're all still there, just laid out differently. It took about a week to get to grips with that.

What exactly makes you say it's an awful browser?

The smoke on the water!

More seriously, I'm a Firefox user since ~2006 but I'm about equally surprised by the statement that Firefox should blow Chrome/ium out of the water as that Firefox supposedly sucks. They're both browsers. I think Chromium is a bit faster in page rendering, whereas Firefox is more open, privacy-friendly, and customizable. Similar to how I wish consumers would not choose an anti-consumer organization (anyone who values a free market and general computation1 should not choose iOS), I think nobody should choose Chrome but, still, I can understand if someone does choose it because they've gotten used to how it works and they're not willing to change. It's about equal in practical functionality that 95% of people use, wouldn't you say? Or in what way is Firefox blowing Chrome out of the water?

¹ https://www.thekurzweillibrary.com/the-coming-war-on-general...

> Firefox is more open, privacy-friendly, and customizable.

How do you customize the default keyboard shortcuts?

This can't change the browser defaults, it only works in some, not all, contexts, so you can't have a consistent experience

I use Zen everyday and a love it! I am glad they chose Firefox as a base, otherwise I would have skipped it. Firefox is stable, I open it when I boot my PC which runs for weeks and never think anything about it. On topic of ad blocking, I think that there are more ways to anoy users using ad blockers today despite of which browser someone uses, with ad block detection and blocking access. If your browser is build by a ad company, expect these changes. For this reason I won't use these browsers

Sadly they dropped XUL some years ago. I stuck to that version for all the customizations it allowed, but became untenable and it was clear I couldn't run a browser from 2017 for the next 50 years so I bit the bullet. I'm now also on webextensions instead of real add-ons

Yet it's still more customizable for users than Chrome/ium is. That there is a particular customization they got rid of is a shame and what you mention in the sibling comment (only works in some contexts) bothers me every day when I try to use mouse gestures on a settings page or mozilla domain and it refuses to work, but those new limitations don't make the statement untrue as a whole

Firefox is less customizable than Chromium-based Vivaldi, so the statement is still not true

the 'based' does the heavy lifting there. I said Firefox (the browser) not Gecko (the engine). I'm sure you can customize everything in either browser (or engine) if you download the source and recompile it with the modifications you like, or even hex edit the binary, go wild. But I'm sure you know what is meant...

> But I'm sure you know what is meant...

Not really, you've explicitly said this

> Yet it's still more customizable for users than Chrome/ium is

And then rejected the fitting comparison: Firefox (the browser) is not more customizable than Chromium-Vivaldi (the browser)

I also don't see how the engine used for page rendering is relevant when discussing UI

When a word has two meanings you can claim "you explicitly said it!!1" but that doesn't make me having actually meant the other thing that I didn't mean, particularly when the original sentence makes a singular meaning clear: nobody can build anything on Chrome, why'd Chromium then suddenly mean "Chromium and any code modification you can make to it" and not simply "Chromium the browser as it is"? "Chrome/ium" referred to the two Google browsers, not forks that modify the underlying code, like Vivaldi which obviously diverges and is its own thing. The comparison wasn't Firefox vs every possible browser built on Chromium. If you want to compare Firefox to Vivaldi specifically, sure, I'll trust that Vivaldi fulfills your special wish if that's what you're saying, but that's a different conversation