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    bb88 ◴[] No.44539017[source]
    Here's some local and national reporting I found interesting.

    1. Kerr county balked at the cost of flood sirens. [0]

    2. Kerr county didn't alert all cell phones of the emergency. [1]

    3. Kerr county repeatedly asked the State of Texas for flood help and the state said no. [2]

    4. Kerr county was in the bottom half of property taxes in the state of Texas in 2017. [3]

    [0] https://www.wowt.com/2025/07/11/small-texas-community-where-...

    [1] https://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/fema-records-kerr-coun...

    [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/us/politics/texas-flood-a...

    [3] https://www.uttyler.edu/academics/colleges-schools/business/...

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    1. arp242 ◴[] No.44539110[source]
    From that NYT article:

    "Some residents argued that outdoor sirens blaring warnings in the event of a flash flood would ruin the natural feel of the area that many prized. “The thought of our beautiful Kerr County having these damn sirens going off in the middle of the night,” one county commissioner at the time, Buster Baldwin, said during a 2016 meeting. “I’m going to have to start drinking again to put up with y’all.” (Mr. Baldwin died in 2022.)"

    I'm thinking hard here, but I'm reasonably sure this is at least in the top-5 most moronic short-sighted, selfish, brain-dead things I've ever seen in my life. Possibly even top-3. Yeah, I'd join Buster in the bar to drink ourselves in a coma.

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    2. dmix ◴[] No.44539216[source]
    NIMBY is the most powerful political force in every western country.

    It's far easier killing off any new economic and public development at the local level than any national level environmentalist or small government movement could ever dream for.

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    3. arp242 ◴[] No.44539362[source]
    This is not "NIMBY". Warning systems need to be where they're needed, and if that's your backyard then that's your backyard. Complaining about "damn sirens going off in the middle of the night" during a life and death scenario is on an entirely different level.
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    4. Spooky23 ◴[] No.44539369{3}[source]
    “Those people” probably live on the flood plain. Up on the hill, you don’t want to disturb your beauty sleep.
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    5. kiba ◴[] No.44539558{3}[source]
    It's NIMBYism alright. After all, if they're in your backyard, it's an eyesore, or in this case, an earsore.
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    6. jandrewrogers ◴[] No.44539658[source]
    In fairness, a similar issue has traditionally existed with tornado warnings, which they likely have in that part of the US. Most of the people affected by the warning are not actually at risk because the warnings are poorly targeted or the risk doesn’t meaningfully materialize. Over time, people get warning fatigue and they start ignoring them. It becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation which makes the loud sirens that much more of a nuisance.

    The spam-y nature of many disaster warning systems is widely understood to be an issue. If these people have existing experience with other low hit-rate warning systems like for tornados, it isn’t surprising that they would find even more warnings to be a nuisance. The false positive rates that people experience is too high by an order of magnitude to be an effective system.

    If they have warning sirens that are ineffective at conveying real risk, they stop being warnings and become background noise.

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    7. gnat ◴[] No.44539699[source]
    I can't speak to tornado warnings, but here in NZ we've been getting tsunami warnings once every year or two and it didn't take long for people to go "yeah yeah yeah" instead of "oh crap".
    8. whartung ◴[] No.44539809[source]
    Several months ago, in Southern California, we had a cell phone earthquake alert.

    Essentially it was “An earthquake is coming now, seek cover”.

    I picked up my phone, read it, gave it a kind of WTH look, and, indeed, an earthquake hit. And it was a notable quake.

    I rode out the quake at my desk.

    And that’s the thing. Where I’m at, we get hit all the time. Rollers, shakers, slammers. We had a week or so last year where we got hit by a swarm of a dozen of them.

    But they’re small. Close 3s. During the swarm, I felt for the folks about 2 miles away. All of them originated beneath them, so they were getting more than I was.

    So, it’s hard to take an earthquake warning very seriously. First, I didn’t even know we had warnings. Second, we’re (I’m) used to just riding them out. With that kind of warning, all we can do is duck and cover, assume the worst, hope for the best.

    I will say this, next time I get that warning, I’ll heed it. The quake that hit us was interesting enough to justify caution should they send another one, and, one way or another, it’s going to be over soon. So the overall precaution in response to the warning is quite low.

    On the other hand, we also get the flash flood warnings. They’re broadcast over a huge area, 95+% of which is, honestly, not susceptible to the flooding.

    These are long lasting warnings. With 12 hour durations. The most interesting one is the one for a local river basin. That warning goes off when crossing the river on the freeway.

    There are certainly areas susceptible to flash floods. Lots of mountains and canyons. Especially in the foothills in the deserts. Down here in the greater LA, Orange, Inland Empire regions, it’s less of an issue. 100 years of development, dams, and flood control infrastructure actually do the job quite well.

    Spamming us with flood alerts just numb us to alerts in general when things might really go bad.

    9. intermerda ◴[] No.44539956{4}[source]
    And what do you call this? https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-co...

    > “I’m here to ask this court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House,” one resident told commissioners in April 2022, fearing strings were attached to the money.

    > “We don't want to be bought by the federal government, thank you very much,” another resident told commissioners. “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”

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    10. SkyLemon ◴[] No.44540450{5}[source]
    > “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”

    Translation: Not in my back yard.

    11. leereeves ◴[] No.44541295{4}[source]
    Why do people live in the flood plain?