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decimalenough ◴[] No.44536914[source]
> The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off.

So the fuel supply was cut off intentionally. The switches in question are also built so they cannot be triggered accidentally, they need to be unlocked first by pulling them out.

> In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.

And both pilots deny doing it.

It's difficult to conclude anything other than murder-suicide.

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alephnerd ◴[] No.44536951[source]
> It's difficult to conclude anything other than murder-suicide.

Is it possible it could have been an accident or a mistake by one of the pilots? How intention-proofed are engine cutoffs?

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ummonk ◴[] No.44537006[source]
You have to pull the switches out (against a spring) to be able to move them over a notch and flip them. Not really something you can just mistake for another switch or bump into by accident.

I'd liken it to turning off the ignition by turning the key while driving your car. Possibly something that could happen if you're really fatigued, but requires quite a mental lapse.

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joezydeco ◴[] No.44537116[source]
Report says the switches went to cutoff one second apart from each other. Can a human do the physical operation on two switches that quickly?
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heisenbit ◴[] No.44537341[source]
The timing is really curious.

08:08:35 Vr

08:08:39 Liftoff

08:08:42 Engine 1 cut-off

08:08:42 Engine 2 cut-off

08:08:47 minimum idel speed reached

?? One pilot to other: why cut-off. Other: Did not do it

08:08:52 Engine 1 run

08:08:52 Engine 2 run

1 second to switch them both off and then 4 seconds to switch them both on. No one admitted to switch them off. They are probably going with fine comb over the audio and also the remains of the chared switches.

Looks like the engines react very quickly to cut-off so it is not clear whether the question about the cut-off is prompted by a glance to the switches or the feel of the airplane.

The big question is whether the switches were moved or something made it seem as if the switches were moved.

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cosmicgadget ◴[] No.44537660[source]
Well in the murder-suicide scenario it makes sense for the culprit to turn them off as quickly as possible. The longer time to turn them on could plausibly be a struggle or simply needing to fly the plane while reaching for each switch individually.
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1. XorNot ◴[] No.44538889[source]
Assuming the person trying to kill themselves and a plane load of people would respond in an expected way to inquiry is also just a mistake.

It's not a rational decision, so there's no reason to expect rational decision making or explanation on the output.

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2. sugarpimpdorsey ◴[] No.44539826[source]
Too many are willing to accept the Bart Simpson excuse of "I didn't do it" at face value.