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757 points rcchen | 8 comments | 11 Jul 25 21:35 UTC | HN request time: 0.729s | source | bottom
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extr ◴[11 Jul 25 22:21 UTC] No.44537358[source]▶
IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there.

Let's review the current state of things:

- Terminal CLI agents are several orders of magnitude less $$$ to develop than forking an entire IDE.

- CC is dead simple to onboard (use whatever IDE you're using now, with a simple extension for some UX improvements).

- Anthropic is free to aggressively undercut their own API margins (and middlemen like Cursor) in exchange for more predictable subscription revenue + training data access.

What does Cursor/Windsurf offer over VS Code + CC?

- Tab completion model (Cursor's remaining moat)

- Some UI niceties like "add selection to chat", and etc.

Personally I think this is a harbinger of where things are going. Cursor was fastest to $900M ARR and IMO will be fastest back down again.

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libraryofbabel ◴[11 Jul 25 22:31 UTC] No.44537433[source]▶
Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :)

I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

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1. extr ◴[11 Jul 25 22:39 UTC] No.44537492[source]▶
Cursor's tab completion model is legitimately fantastic and for many people is worth the entire $20 subscription. Lint fixes or syntax-level refactors are guessed and executed instantly with TAB with close to 100% accuracy. This is their final moat IMO, if Copilot manages to bring their tab completion up to near parity, very little reason to use Cursor.
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2. conradkay ◴[11 Jul 25 23:08 UTC] No.44537718[source]▶
<https://forum.cursor.com/t/i-made-59-699-lines-of-agent-edit...>

It's quite interesting how little the Cursor power users use tab. Majority of the posts are some insane number of agent edits and close to (or exactly) 0 tabs.

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3. olejorgenb ◴[11 Jul 25 23:09 UTC] No.44537724[source]▶
Idk. When you're doing something it really gets it's super nice, but it's also off a lot of times and it's IMO super distracting when it constantly pop up. No way to explicitly request it instead - other than toggling, which seems to also turn off context/edit tracking, because after toggling on it does not suggest anything until you make some edits.

While Zed's model is not as good the UI is so much better IMO.

4. Jcampuzano2 ◴[12 Jul 25 00:39 UTC] No.44538265[source]▶
At my company we have an enterprise subscription and we're also all allowed to see the analytics for the entire company. Last I checked, I was literally the number one user of Tab and middle of the pack for agent.

It's interesting when I see videos or reddit posts about cursor and people getting rate limited and being super angry. In my experience tab is the number one feature, and I feel like most people using agent are probably overusing it tasks that would honestly take less time to do myself or using models way smarter than they need to be for the task at hand.

5. fipar ◴[12 Jul 25 03:39 UTC] No.44539087[source]▶
Just to offer a different perspective, I use Cursor at work and, coming from emacs (which I still use) with copilot completions only when I request them with a shortcut, Cursor’s behavior drives me crazy.
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6. MkLouis ◴[12 Jul 25 05:10 UTC] No.44539476[source]▶
Which Emacs Package do you use for CoPilot, i tried using Copilot.el a long while ago, but had problems with it. Is there something new or does copilot.el fulfill your needs?
7. groggo ◴[12 Jul 25 05:48 UTC] No.44539640[source]▶
I haven't used Cursor or Claude much, how different is it from Copilot? I bounce between desktop ChatGPT (which can update VS Code) and copilot. Is there an impression that those have fallen behind?
8. coolspot ◴[12 Jul 25 06:43 UTC] No.44539888[source]▶
Github Copilot just added that about a week ago.