Not sure why this is flagged. Relevant analysis.
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If you want to know how big tech is influencing the world, HN is no longer the place to look. It's too easy to manipulate.
As far as I am concerned they are both clowns, which is precisely why I don't want to have to choose between correcting stupid claims thereby defending them, and occasionally have an offshoot of r/politics around. I honestly would rather have all discussion related to them forbidden than the latter.
I don't think it takes any manipulation for people to be exhausted with that general dynamic either.